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Cantave, that is a very good move, I am impressed. That is a leap for him, if he gets minutes he is automatically worth looking at for our seniors since this is the level Piette plays at. The article says he trains this week and will be officially presented next.
Guadalajara is an important provincial capital that has stagnated in recent decades, the team is in Group 2 of 2B, where there are no historical powerhouses and the only team that is really technical is the Real Madrid B team; there are Basque sides and Castillian and it is a physical group. Lots of these teams would have problems in 2A and lots have experienced journeymen. Arenas de Getxo is a founding team of Spanish 1st division, in 1929, but is now small. Guadalajara too have a small stadium and are not really ready to play in a higher division either. Their goal is to stay in this one and enjoy themselves.
I was going through their roster and they have very good, smart signings, some others from Getafe and other Madrid area teams, players from other strong 2B sides in their division, a guy from their own academy. A Korean and a Japanese player. A young keeper from Valencia. Then some senior experience, like Marqués who was at NY Cosmos this year, or striker Riki, who was at Deportivo for 6-7 years and scored a lot, and Granada last year, a 35 year old with 1st division experience. They only show 3 strikers and have scored very little compared to other mid table teams, so Cantave looks to give them a sub with speed and possibilities to get past rivals and cross in, get a look on goal, I think if they've signed him he'll get minutes quickly if he can prove his pace is right and stays healthy.

You have got it right for all three players, perfect. What about that goalkeeper who was in France, went to play in Barcelona, and now is in Granada youth team, forgot his name?
Spain pyramid is:
1-one national division
2A- one national division
2B-four national divisions, multi-regional
These tiers are run by the Spanish Federation.
3-18 national divisions, corresponding to official political regions (except Andalusia with two), whose federations run everything from 3rd down.
From the respective 3rd division for each Autonomous Community down, each region decides how to organize things and wht to call the divisions. The most typical name is Regional Preferente, then 1st Regional, 2nd Regional. In Catalonia, for example, after 3rd they call their divisions 1st Catalana, 2nd Catalana, etc, down to fourth. 
There are usually no more than 8 tiers in organized adult football with promotion and relegation, some regions have 7.

Looking a bit more at Guadalajara. That article says he was on trial with the second team, took a look and  the B team is in 5th tier in Castille but leading their division, on course for a promotion into 3rd division, one below 2B.
So I could see Cantave being there to help the lower level team promote as well as add to the first team, could move around. While 5th would be a step down, from where he was, in u-19, it is fine if it is how he can get minutes vs senior men for the first time, esp since that team is doing very well. For me looks pretty win-win.

Looking a bit more at Guadalajara. That article says he was on trial with the second team, took a look and  the B team is in 5th tier in Castille but leading their division, on course for a promotion into 3rd division, one below 2B.
So I could see Cantave being there to help the lower level team promote as well as add to the first team, could move around. While 5th would be a step down, from where he was, in u-19, it is fine if it is how he can get minutes vs senior men for the first time, esp since that team is doing very well. For me looks pretty win-win.

FCB Escola is not FC Barcelona, it is a pay as you go school that does not even play federated soccer, they play between themselves and do tournaments to get more games. Any decent kid can get in, as long as he is competent. It is a bad idea but parents get sucked into the name.
I know this because my kid used to play with a proper club that is also a Barça supporter group, UBCatalonia, and they had a deal to pick up Escola kids after they finished there, which if I recall right was u-13 (maybe u-14). Yes, my boy was that level, he played with former FCBEscola kids, which is lower-mid competitive football in Barcelona. 
Roman Tulis academy in North Van deliberately falsifies this distinction, as they are doing now with a kid named Asvin Chauhan, they are conning people about what they are able to really produce by doing this. They conned people with that player named Gianni Patino in 2008, much reported here, as they collected donations to send him to Barcelona to the FCBEscola, as I saw it a scam.
The facilities are not even that great, they have this poor artificial field in the shadow of Camp Nou, Catalonia plays the other Barça supporter group clubs in tournaments there.
One of the few recent players who was FCEscola, then Catalonia, then was brought back to proper Barça academy and turned pro, was Jordi Gómez, who was at Wigan and now Sunderland. But hey, the club my kid  is at now sent a player to proper FC Barcelona academy who played for Barça B and is now at Munich 1860, though on loan to Elche this year, Ilie Sánchez. This is not top level football by any means, in spite of exceptions, so better to be at a proper Bundesliga 3 club  or League 2 than there.

Sam Adekugbe will be training with Brighton until December 20th, WCFC announce.
http://www.whitecapsfc.com/post/2015/11/26/whitecaps-fc-defender-sam-adekugbe-training-brighton
 

Good format, thanks for the work Fussball.
Just to update details on Spain. Fisk is 4th tier.
Piette correct in 3rd.
Cantave has been injured, with a leg break I think, so does not appear on rosters. He would have to be on the B team for his age, so 3, but better to leave it vacant.
Appugliesi is in 4th tier but gets playing time in lower divisions.
Rather than Youth for Dos Santos and Clapin-Girard, better to put u-19. They are technically called Juvenile in Spain all u-19s and the three following years (like my kid).
 

That is the 2nd tier of Spanish u-19 football. It's a solid level, lots of B teams of top flight sides, competitive. The team is in his own town of Marbella.

Thanks. That is not that much, sounds reasonable considering they really do seem to find decent clubs for a lot of players. I have however read some rather disparaging news stories from various smaller Spanish papers about how unhappy this or that club is or was with the owner of GISS.

rob.notenboom clearly there is room for compromise, I am sure there is simply a misunderstanding. But there is no ultimatum at all. A very important part of the site has  been altered without habitual and expected consultation and that should not happen, ever. We let a lot of things slip, incorrectly, because we do not have a legal foundation, so all we have is "common law", accumulated practice as applied in the day to day. And that is what has kept the board alive and new people coming to it.
Asking for that to not be changed has nothing to do with ultimatums.
Another thing is we can be convinced that managing a complicated list like this would be more efficient and easier to read in another format. But propose, explain, test, wait for feedback--then make the change. And even more so when it is a very no rush thread like this one, perhaps the least "urgent" on the site.

rob.notenboom clearly there is room for compromise, I am sure there is simply a misunderstanding. But there is no ultimatum at all. A very important part of the site has  been altered without habitual and expected consultation and that should not happen, ever. We let a lot of things slip, incorrectly, because we do not have a legal foundation, so all we have is "common law", accumulated practice as applied in the day to day. And that is what has kept the board alive and new people coming to it.
Asking for that to not be changed has nothing to do with ultimatums.
Another thing is we can be convinced that managing a complicated list like this would be more efficient and easier to read in another format. But propose, explain, test, wait for feedback--then make the change. And even more so when it is a very no rush thread like this one, perhaps the least "urgent" on the site.

This. And it is nothing against other people doing great work, it is about some things being worked on for years, decades, collectively, often with a lot of time spent on them. Uninterestedly. Which is why the list should be on this site, on this thread, however uncomfortable that might seem. I do not agree that less than 48 hours after someone asks for relief from the task the criteria changes, like that. 
Also, if the criteria is going to change, we need to discuss it. Example: Jamie starts a thread about consolidating threads, cleaning up the site, and then patiently hears out comments that have been dribbling in for a week or so. That is the right way to do it.
If not, I would simply ask again who would like to take over the thread, as is, with freedom to do agreed upon alterations in criteria, and then see what folks have to say. All over again.

Excuse us Fussball, but it is by no means ridiculous. And it is not about property, in a strict sense, it is about who we are and what we do as a collective.
But following your logic, why don't you take your list off your site and put a link on your site to the Voyageurs site where all the Canucks Abroad will be found, and where they were found even in the last century when I first started visiting the board, well before you or any other thought it might be a fun thing to follow online? 
I will simply ask the mods to freeze the new thread and restore the former thread until this resolved. No hurry.

This. And it is nothing against other people doing great work, it is about some things being worked on for years, decades, collectively, often with a lot of time spent on them. Uninterestedly. Which is why the list should be on this site, on this thread, however uncomfortable that might seem. I do not agree that less than 48 hours after someone asks for relief from the task the criteria changes, like that. 
Also, if the criteria is going to change, we need to discuss it. Example: Jamie starts a thread about consolidating threads, cleaning up the site, and then patiently hears out comments that have been dribbling in for a week or so. That is the right way to do it.
If not, I would simply ask again who would like to take over the thread, as is, with freedom to do agreed upon alterations in criteria, and then see what folks have to say. All over again.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, however i'm sure you'll find alot of senior V's  would rather not relinquish a piece of our tradition. If you can't understand that then i'm sorry, but i'm not going to budge on my opposition to you moving our list over to an external site. The info. may be public knowledge, but our seperate, sovereign list must remain on this site. No one is stopping you from posting your list wherever you like, but if you take on the position of maintaining the V's MOACA it should temain on our site, shared or not.
As with anything on this site there should be input from everyone, especially the senior members, contributors, past stewards and leaders.

This. And it is nothing against other people doing great work, it is about some things being worked on for years, decades, collectively, often with a lot of time spent on them. Uninterestedly. Which is why the list should be on this site, on this thread, however uncomfortable that might seem. I do not agree that less than 48 hours after someone asks for relief from the task the criteria changes, like that. 
Also, if the criteria is going to change, we need to discuss it. Example: Jamie starts a thread about consolidating threads, cleaning up the site, and then patiently hears out comments that have been dribbling in for a week or so. That is the right way to do it.
If not, I would simply ask again who would like to take over the thread, as is, with freedom to do agreed upon alterations in criteria, and then see what folks have to say. All over again.