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  2. BrennanFan

    Ottawa CPL Club

    The rule is that you can't play in a foreign league when an equivalent league exists in your own country.
  3. Ansem

    Ottawa CPL Club

    The 3 MLS teams could argue that CPL is too low and not comparable. The Fury can't argue that in regards to CPL to USL
  4. Toronto Ruffrider

    CPL General

    Disregarding all of the debate with respect to whether or not the Fury should be forced to switch leagues, those salary numbers are interesting. Assuming the reports we've seen with regard to USL salaries, the Fury were way above the USL average last season. They didn't get very good bang for their buck, so it's any wonder why they cut such a big chunk of their roster.
  5. DrFitzpatrick

    Ottawa CPL Club

    I'm all for the Fury being forced into the CPL, but forgive my ignorance here, how does CONCACAF justify the hard nosed approach to Ottawa playing in a US league when we have 3 other Canadian MLS teams playing in a US league?
  6. SuperCanuck

    Ottawa CPL Club

    How would you describe the move by Ottawa Fury to string the C. Premier League along for a few months, build momentum and excitement, and then just before a climax of joining the league when everyone was expecting them to, they pulled out at the last minute?
  7. Ansem

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Whoever's giving advice to the Fury needs to be replaced. They are acting like they are TFC... Ok, on board for a CPL ownership team in Ottawa
  8. juicy sushi

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Valid questions all. I guess the math would have to be revenue from gates and concessions vs. travel, salary and other costs. If you have to fly a team out to away games, how much does it costs to fly 25(?) guys to 6 different places, that to me would be a reasonable guess at travel costs. How much are players getting paid? Assume a full squad at league minimum, plus all the other staff, and then however much it costs to rent/maintain facilities. If your initial revenue isn't enough to break even, how many years of losses can you stomach until it is, and how can you grow that revenue? That's all really boring stuff, but it is the question that needs to be answered if a Canadian Premier League is going to be a success. Ottawa seem to feel that right now their USL math works for them. I don't know if that means they're profitable, but it seems that the team is sustainable as it is.
  9. Keegan

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Yes, because we assume they’ve cleverly sidestepped all culpability. But you can’t prove that. My point is that this day was coming whether you like it or not - whether the CSA did it or ultimately concacaf.
  10. juicy sushi

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Ok, that's fair, and I can see the reasons people would feel optimism. As a fan, I can see why people are excited. I don't know that if I was trying to run a team I would feel the same way, but that's not my problem as I don't.
  11. dyslexic nam

    Ottawa CPL Club

    First, and for the last time, I am not an Ottawa hater. I want the Fury in CPL. I have wanted this since the first time I heard of it. Please stop acting like I am hoping your team withers and dies. Second, I am not advocating killing the team and replacing it with some plastic club. I have expressly posted, multiple times now, that I hope the Fury are in CPL starting in April and every year thereafter. If you want to make some obtuse point about everyone trying to kill your team, stop quoting me and then acting like that is my position. Or feel free to find a post where I have said the things you are attributing to me.
  12. BenFisk'sBiggestFan

    Calgary launch/2019 offseason thread

    As Jeff Paulus would say. "Wheeldon plays boring soccer." (Ok, I have never watched to foothills play)
  13. SpursFlu

    Ottawa CPL Club

    I actually havent seen evidence that travel costs are high. I also havent had anyone define what "high or too much" is. I would also say that revenue streams are a complete variable. The league could come out tomorrow and announce the league is now "Tim Hortons Canadian Premier League" and those supposed too high travel costs would suddenly not seem like much. The USL on the other hand is a completedead end for Ottawa. Whats their option for increased revenue? More bums in seats? Trickle down expansion fees?
  14. Chad_Impact

    Montreal Area CPL Team

    You're right actually, could be.
  15. dyslexic nam

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Soccer is far more popular in Canada now than it was during the failed ventures you referenced. TV numbers back this up. The success of 3 MLS clubs shows that live footy is a sustainable draw here in Canada. It may not demonstrate "the scale needed to make a league work" but it does show that teams van be sustained if the conditions are right. I am not saying CPL is a slam dunk - just that there are positive conditions in place that did not exist during the failed ventures of the past.
  16. WheatsheafSK

    Ottawa CPL Club

    You are right. Killing a team that supports Canadian soccer players, and just giving a franchise to the city so that there is one in Ottawa and then see it die in a year would be the best move for CanPL and Canadian soccer. The point I keep making is that all the Fury haters on here make it sound like it is so easy to create a successful team in Ottawa. It is not. I am firm believer that killing the Fury is no way to help the CanPL.
  17. ray

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Should be an "Edit" link next to the "Quote" link.
  18. baulderdash77

    Montreal Area CPL Team

    I think Laval is the Montreal Area team.
  19. juicy sushi

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Hi, What context has changed? 3 MLS clubs do demonstrate that there is demand, but I don't think that alone demonstrates demand of the scale needed to make a league work in other Canadians markets. There have always been fans. Enough fans, willing to pay enough money, to make a league's worth of franchises viable paying professional wages and covering Canadian travel costs is something I haven't seen evidence of, personally.
  20. SpursFlu

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Looks to me as if Ottawa's plan was to sit at the bottom of the MLS pyramid scheme and collect the crumbs falling off the table. Thus doing the MLS a big favour by continually muddying the Canadian soccer waters
  21. Cheeta

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Yeah, you reach a certain point where one party believes the status quo is the better answer for them and the other party believes endless negotiations maintaining that status quo serves no useful purpose for them. That's when good old competitive capitalism gets to show its teeth and we find out who was right
  22. juicy sushi

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Uh, I just noticed a colossal typo, but cannot find a way to edit the post. Sorry everyone.
  23. masster

    Calgary launch/2019 offseason thread

    He was used in the midfield for 1 or 2 matches that I saw.
  24. juicy sushi

    Ottawa CPL Club

    Hi, Please don't take this as an attack, but none of what you've said are facts, they are only assertions. You are saying that the CPL is that, but are not offering facts, only a no true Scotsman statement that it is a risk that must be taken. And I fail to see how the CPL is really different from the USL. They are both minor league (in budget and talent) soccer. The locations of the teams are different, and the branding of the CPL has a patriotic twang to it, but they're still two teams of 11 guys kicking a ball around. The City of Ottawa do own TD Place. And they have a deal with OSEG to run the place. OSEG have 3 teams there, and two of them do very well, in particular the CFL team which sells the place out. I don't see how the City, who are interested in the revenue from the facility, not the CPL, are going to cheese off the guys making them money for the sake of the CPL or CSA. OSEG have a very good, long relationship with the City. Another CPL franchise, and the CSA do not. If you dislike the argument that the Fury's skepticism was reasonable that's totally ok. But you are offering a counter to it. I was a fan of soccer when there was no professional soccer in Canada. I can remember when the coverage consisted of someone on the radio possibly mentioning the Blizzard score and the Globe & Mail carrying the box scores for Rochester in the A-League. I get that everyone here really wants things to be different. I would like that, but I feel that given the history of soccer in Canada, the Fury have legitimate reasons to be skeptical, and I have not seen, anywhere, evidence on a scale that would convince me that they shouldn't be. If someone has it, I'd love to see it (seriously, and I am not trying to troll, please sell it to me).
  25. dyslexic nam

    Ottawa CPL Club

    You know what helps CPL less? Fury playing in a US D2 league.
  26. socceronly

    Delete This Topic Please

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