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Good format, thanks for the work Fussball.

Just to update details on Spain. Fisk is 4th tier.

Piette correct in 3rd.

Cantave has been injured, with a leg break I think, so does not appear on rosters. He would have to be on the B team for his age, so 3, but better to leave it vacant.

Appugliesi is in 4th tier but gets playing time in lower divisions.

Rather than Youth for Dos Santos and Clapin-Girard, better to put u-19. They are technically called Juvenile in Spain all u-19s and the three following years (like my kid).

That is the 2nd tier of Spanish u-19 football. It's a solid level, lots of B teams of top flight sides, competitive. The team is in his own town of Marbella.

Thanks. That is not that much, sounds reasonable considering they really do seem to find decent clubs for a lot of players. I have however read some rather disparaging news stories from various smaller Spanish papers about how unhappy this or that club is or was with the owner of GISS.

I say all power to him, his academy now has someone playing for AC Milan. And quite a few in 2B in Spain. It could be a good formula, rather than the players going out on their own with their own agents into the open market. 

I don't knock lower tier, I watch a lot. Issey was playing for a team in 6th and was surprised by how good they were (they promoted). I saw a 5th tier game a few weeks ago that was fabulously played by both teams, in fact one of the players had a cap with Equatorial Guinea. If you play and are noticed you can step up. I'll say one thing though: right now if you want to play in 5th tier Spain you won't be paid, the vast majority are not. So I am not really sure how he lives. Even 3rd tier has low salaries now, below living standard, the sponsorships have slipped by 70%. So I imagine the money they get from GISS goes to keeping these kids alive.

Still, if he is confident and wants to try, I'd say leave GISS, get a local agent, and go try out for 2A and 2B teams in Spain, you might find yourself a proper pro contract.

Updating re Adam Appugliesi, who we heard signed with Jove Español in Spanish 3rd div (4th tier), Valencia region. I just now found match reports on this team, but he does not seem to be playing or at least no word on his Twitter account. He's a defender it seems. But here is the real story:

He came out of an Italian academy calle Genova International, GISS, that signs players to a lot of good clubs, in Serie A and B, elsewhere. They have deals all over the world, through the owner Morris Pagniello. In Spain in the last few years they offer a club in 2B or 3rd, even 2A, a quantity of money as a "sponsorship", then the deal is that club has to take players. In the case of Cultural Leonesa in León they promised a quantity, had León set up a B team, put a GISS coach on the team and a group of young GISS players 19-21 yrs old. But shortly afterwards Cultural complained that they had been tricked and not all the money had come in. 

Same with Hercules, they were promised when in 2A to get 200 thousand euros and had to take 40 players into their teams, mostly lower than the 1st team. When Hercules dropped to 2B, the quantity dropped to 90 thousand. The Hercules board then decided it was not a good deal for them. They also seem to have deals with Jumilla, in the same area, and with quite a few other teams---and then Jove Español where Appugliesi is. 

I suppose players pay a lot to GISS, and the deal is then GISS gets the odd transfer fee, being the "owner" of the player, and then use the money to pay their players way into clubs at lower level so they can compete. And if someone stands out, then they get a share or all of the transfer up. They are an academy that is also a macro-agent and placement agency. 

Just a month ago the deal was: Jove Español accepted a sponsorship and three players, all from GISS, the others Australian. But I am pretty sure that Adam has not played after 6 games and the others, I dont think have either. 

rob.notenboom clearly there is room for compromise, I am sure there is simply a misunderstanding. But there is no ultimatum at all. A very important part of the site has  been altered without habitual and expected consultation and that should not happen, ever. We let a lot of things slip, incorrectly, because we do not have a legal foundation, so all we have is "common law", accumulated practice as applied in the day to day. And that is what has kept the board alive and new people coming to it.

Asking for that to not be changed has nothing to do with ultimatums.

Another thing is we can be convinced that managing a complicated list like this would be more efficient and easier to read in another format. But propose, explain, test, wait for feedback--then make the change. And even more so when it is a very no rush thread like this one, perhaps the least "urgent" on the site.

Excuse us Fussball, but it is by no means ridiculous. And it is not about property, in a strict sense, it is about who we are and what we do as a collective.

But following your logic, why don't you take your list off your site and put a link on your site to the Voyageurs site where all the Canucks Abroad will be found, and where they were found even in the last century when I first started visiting the board, well before you or any other thought it might be a fun thing to follow online? 

I will simply ask the mods to freeze the new thread and restore the former thread until this resolved. No hurry.

This. And it is nothing against other people doing great work, it is about some things being worked on for years, decades, collectively, often with a lot of time spent on them. Uninterestedly. Which is why the list should be on this site, on this thread, however uncomfortable that might seem. I do not agree that less than 48 hours after someone asks for relief from the task the criteria changes, like that. 

Also, if the criteria is going to change, we need to discuss it. Example: Jamie starts a thread about consolidating threads, cleaning up the site, and then patiently hears out comments that have been dribbling in for a week or so. That is the right way to do it.

If not, I would simply ask again who would like to take over the thread, as is, with freedom to do agreed upon alterations in criteria, and then see what folks have to say. All over again.