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Complete Homer

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  1. Metro Vancouver CPL Club

    That's the thing...presumably BCFC would be looking primarily to Surrey to fill the stadium, but it's not just about the population they are trying to draw on. Doing things the ensure that the team screams "major league", like being called BCFC and building your own venue, makes it more likely that the local population will actually go out and support the team I'm sort of thinking about Regina vs Toronto for CFL. Sure the Roughriders draw on population outside of Regina, but the perception that the Roughriders are major league while Torontonians don't perceive the Argos as major league seems to be a greater driver of attendance than the population base alone. Obviously there are other factors, especially local alternatives for sports, but I honestly think local perception of the league's level will have a greater influence on attendance than the raw population size. All of this is from the perspective of a non-local of course, I don't claim to know much about the market itself
  2. Metro Vancouver CPL Club

    Something to remember is that the naming can't be made in a vacuum for a Surrey team. If they are building their stadium less than an hour from BC Place, they are directly competing with the Whitecaps, full stop I really do like the idea of hyper-local names, but for the Surrey team to gain traction right beside VWC they have to project "big league" at every chance they get. "BCFC" makes a statement that the team is big enough to be worth the attention of the whole province, not just the immediate area.
  3. CPL General

    Kind of getting the vibe that we won't be seeing the sort of party seen in MLS...but there's also been statements about needing mechanisms for cost control. Maybe something like a combination soft cap, luxury tax, and hard cap on top? Could help satisfy larger markets/ownership groups, help keep small markets afloat, and still avoid NASL-esque runaway spending. I'd be fine with it as long as the hard cap wasn't too far above the soft
  4. CPL General

    Not sure if this was posted or not. Just got my copy of the NSCAC's Journal for Soccer Coaches, has an interview with Bierne. Don't want to rip off the article, go out and buy it if you want the full thing, but some quick takeaways: - Some teams will have true academies, others will be partnering with existing clubs to create a development pathway. - In a response to a question about drafts and free agency, the league doesn't want to have many rules and constraints about the acquisition and distribution of player, but they have to have discussions on how things will work with the initial launch with such a high volume of player acquisitions that will have to be made. They also estimate that teams will need 2 transfer windows to have adequate time to build rosters. - "From a budget perspective, with Hamilton and Winnipeg, I think we are sending the world a message about the scale and aspirations of this league [...] but we've also said we want to launch and be successful in communities of 300,000 [...] we need to be able to do both" - He can see them selling out games in markets like Saskatchewan with 10000 people and selling 20000 seats in Hamilton in a "future state"
  5. Alphonso Davies

    I interpreted Canadian quota as replacing the current US/Canadian domestic quota with solely Canadians
  6. Alphonso Davies

    I've had the same thoughts
  7. Alphonso Davies

    There's also the fact that coaches, by the nature of the job, are forced into short term decisions constantly Bono is a good keeper. He was also complete trash at the outset and absolutely wouldn't have gotten extra looks if Irwin wasn't struggling. Sometimes you have to accept that the transition to the true pro game is a steep curve both physically and psychologically, and there isn't much motivation to do it unless coaches are forced to by circumstance or given assurance that their back isn't against the wall. Robinson, to his credit, used Davies despite this. One way to force opportunities is to have a quota. I think we'd see capable MLS level players like Edwards be picked over Morrow simply because cuts would have to be made somewhere and the loss of Morrow would be less than other internationals... but we'd also see a lot of borderline players tanking the team's quality. I don't think it's really tenable at the moment. I don't think asking TFC to dismantle a championship roster for a Canadian quota is going to win anyone over to the cause. Maybe if CPL is stable a decade down the road and has created a reasonably deep player pool the issue can be revisited
  8. CPL new teams speculation

    If you take a look at the losses of most soccer leagues in North America, MLS included until recently, losing two million a year initially is pretty reasonable. You're not really thinking in terms of someone with a startup, you're thinking in terms of regular Joes with bills to pay on a static income. If you're breaking even the first year as a startup, you probably aren't expanding your business as fast as you should be. This is why vetting ownership is so important, even to the point of delays. Better to have owners both willing and able to lose that kind of money than have someone who will pull out after a couple seasons. As for the earlier part of your question, no, they're not contradictory. Creating an economic demand for young Canadians is about improving the league by expanding the player pool in the decades ahead, while having a reasonable cap is about having sufficient quality to keep people tuned in from day 1. There's nothing contradictory about having a high enough cap to attract decent NASL/USL players as starters (both Canadian and international) while also ensuring that the squad's depth gets filled out by Canadians by necessity with roster restrictions. This isn't an abnormal concept... look to MLS if you want. They have forced themselves to expand the US player pool by having foreign player restrictions, but also use internationals to improve the quality of play. Or look to almost every league in the world where similar rules are in place. And really, we are quibbling over minor details. You say 500k is the limit. I'm saying something closer to a million. In the overall cost structure of operating a club, that probably isn't going to be the make or break cost figure for an owner, but it might be the difference between a watchable product and an unwatchable product Edit: And to be clear, I'm not saying 500k is necessarily unwatchable, but it's a 20k average salary. Those aren't full time positions in most cities, I think the biggest change in quality is seen between full time pros and players who can't train during the day because they are at their day job My point is, if you're willing and able to try to make this kind of investment, you aren't trying to just get by with minimal losses and small crowds. You are looking to find the point where you can present a polished product that will turn games into well known, desirable events, and turn the project into a successful part of their portfolio. Maybe you can do that on a 500k salary cap, I just have a hard time seeing them achieving a polished product with semi-pro players
  9. CPL new teams speculation

    Exactly. Imagine you are a venture capitalist investing in this league. You expect to lose 2 million a year while the league grows. What's a greater risk, the extra 500k in losses or torpedoing the project from the outset with amateur quality? I'm not saying it will be a 1.5M cap, I'm just saying they'll probably find a sweet spot where they are not losing money hand over fist while they build the fanbase
  10. CPL General

    With the one Canadian who got on the pitch? I think this will drive excitement for soccer and be good for CPL. Rising tide lifts all boats, yada yada
  11. CPL new teams speculation

    That's exactly what foreign player limits do everywhere, they create artificial market conditions that overpay domestic players for the sake of incentivizing the creation and improvement of development pathways. It doesn't change anything overnight, but I'd say all you have to do is look at the US to see what overpaying NCAA grads in the 90s helped create a couple decades down the road
  12. CPL new teams speculation

    That's pretty reasonable, though personally I think a 30k minimum (maybe adjusted depending on market) is probably still relatively generous for depth players if there's a 25ish person roster. These guys are probably being drawn from L1O/PLSQ/PDL setups, 30k would still change their careers and give a reason for high performance amateurs to get noticed in those leagues
  13. CPL new teams speculation

    No one is saying a depth player should be making 50-75k, you wouldn't even be able to pull that off with the rumoured 1.5M cap. But there is something to be said for creating a demand for Canadians. There's next to no demand globally for Canadian players. Aside from a couple PR signings, even Canadian MLS clubs don't have much incentive to sign Canadians. So why would a talented Canadian stick with soccer instead of becoming an engineer or an accountant? There's huge opportunity costs for a young person with options to pursue pro sports, with next to no chance of reasonable success, and Canadian soccer is currently one of the worst bets of all Opening up 100 protected spots with a living wage for Canadian players shifts the formula a bit. Maybe not a lot, but probably enough that a kid passing up university to take a swing at a pro career isnt equivalent to trying to win the lottery. That has a knock-on effect where more people want to seek out high quality training to compete for those spots, maybe leading to a few more Sigma-esque academies
  14. CPL new teams speculation

    Good point It's also worth noting that there is a pretty wide range of player salary spending in USL. I know we touched on this before, but Krishnayer had a few interesting snippets a while back. Lots of teams were apparently paying players in the 1000 dollar per month range while others were going out and spending 50k+ for bench players. Might be hard to pin down what kind of attendance is a break even point for a middle of the road USL team with a moving target like that. I'd assume the big spenders would be the ones gunning for MLS expansion, but hard to say
  15. CPL new teams speculation

    It's definitely fair to say that scaling up based purely on population is faulty, but I just don't think there are enough similarities between NBL and CPL to draw conclusions from. One key thing you pointed out - the NBL owners don't own their own stadiums. My understanding from the lower US division saga we've been following is that the teams that don't own their own stadiums have a very different economic model than the ones who do. Rent alone kills clubs and they lose multiple revenue streams between lost sponsorship and concessions that way. CPL seems to have put stadium ownership as a priority, investing high amounts up front to make the model sustainable. I think that demonstrates a particular attitude that will shape the way the league is run The difference in ownership is the other key issue. CPL is apparently sustainable at 4500 to 5500 fans. That doesn't necessarily mean break even. We've heard from a couple sources, including a part owner in KW, that the owners are willing and able to lose money to grow the league. Part of that is spending enough to be a proper professional league, other sides include spending enough to attract key employees and actually market appropriately to a wide base. Some of the CPL owners are venture capitalists...they understand the idea of leveraging their own wealth by taking losses to grow a business that will have a chance to far outstrip their initial losses, and they likely understand the opportunity cost of limiting their own ceiling by rushing to break even. I'm sure they will think long and hard about what costs actually further their goals and which don't. I suspect we will see a cap that enables them to exhibit professionalism and polish, and not a cent more. We can quibble about the exact number, and we really don't have enough info to nail that down, but I suspect they'll at least pay a living wage for all roster spots. 500k wouldn't do that Beyond that, I think the focus on +/- a few hundred thousand on salaries really is not going to make or break the league. We are hyper focused on that part because, as national team supporters, we're very focused on the development implications of base pay. But if you look at the NASL losses vs player salary costs (look into Kartik Krishnayer's writing), it was more spiralling operations costs than player costs that were the issue. CPL has to stay lean and mean on multiple fronts, and I think we can see evidence of this by their small but qualified front office and the likely collectivizing of production and marketing costs through Stadium Digital
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