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dennis

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  1. 13 hours ago, Ansem said:

    Worse...

    The team was losing 2-0.

    Once Larin was subbed out for Love, Besiktas came back and won the game 3-2 with Love scoring.

    Larin needs a loan to a weaker team or league. This was too big of a step for him I think

    Weaker team maybe. But Outside the top 4 teams there's not much to separate the average MLS team from the Super Lig. Strange that he seems to be struggling so much at Besiktas.


  2. 6 minutes ago, Obinna said:

    Could be the case, but advancing age of a player can also mean a player is entering his prime, when he's likely to become a better player. Yet his value is being weighed down in most cases.

    The biggest flaw with TMV is that it factors in potential, which is a prediction of the future and not an assessment of the present.

    agreed


  3. 8 minutes ago, Keegan said:

    I agree Belgium is a better overall league but transfermarket means absolutely nothing.. just look at Alphonso Davies.  

    Here is what I’ll say.. MLS has better top players but the average MLS starter isn’t as good as the average Belgian league starter.  I believe a starter in Belgium could move to mls no problem but the opposite wouldn’t always hold true - it’s just a tougher and more professional environment. There are a lot of examples of interchange between the leagues.

    For individual players i tend to agree. Transfermarket  measures players over all value which factors their age as well as skill. I think we all could argue that Atiba may be just a good player now as he was 4 years ago when his value was three times higher. Basically it looks at players as long term investments. 


  4. 7 minutes ago, Obinna said:

    Well the only metric that's truly viable is head-to-head. Unfortunately we don't have that.

    TMV on Transfermarkt can give you a general idea of player, team, or league strength, but it is flawed. For example, I have noticed that players entering MLS can experience a drop in TMV before they even kick a ball. I suspect MLS values are skewed down based on the bias of whomever sets those figures. 

    I take more stock in visiting a teams wiki page and browsing through the player's pages to see whom they've played for, how they've fared, international caps, etc. Those stats are not manufactured in the way TMV is.

    No, its not a perfect way to gauge overall player/team strength but in general i feel its pretty accurate. You argue that its flawed since players drop in value when coming to MLS before even playing. I would argue that is often due to the player transferring from a stronger league and or advancing age of the player. I believe your will see the opposite when you have a younger player transferring in, especially from a weaker league. This goes for any league not just MLS.

    I agree with the over all sentiment here that this kid is in a very good situation to prove himself. If he continues to get playing time, based on the quality of his team alone he should be looking at a cmnt call up in the near future.


  5. FWIW, Transfermarkt has the Belgium's Jupiler Pro League's Total market value at 570,98 mil euro vs MLS at 487,50 mil euro. KAA Gent is listed at at TMV of 56,90 mil euro. To put that in perspective TFC is listed at 30.18 mil. Not sure how anyone concludes that MLS is the stronger league by any metric.


  6. 2 hours ago, Keegan said:

    I agree with most of this except I think in 2008 we had better players all around, we just severely underachieved. Imhof who was playing in bundesliga couldn’t get off our bench and jos Simpson a star at Kaiserslautern wasn’t even getting calls. 

     

    I think MAK looks like Hutch and so you want to say they resemble each other but Hutch is much more dynamic. MAK seems to be a player who simply makes the right pass and holds the middle of the park with Hutch you have a player who likes to dribble and plays with flair. Bernier was very workman like and was best as a cog in midfield. 

    True, but I think we have a little more depth now. I seem to recall the NT in the Yallop/Mitchell  era having to rely on a lot of players from the Impact and Whitecaps when they were in the A league. 


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    We were better in that era. You can also add DeRo, Josh Simpson, I'd also take Adrian Serioux over the likes of Samuel Piette or Adam Straith. The following screenshot from Transfermarket clearly illustrates this.(Left side: Present, right side: 2008)

     


  8. As others have mentioned, Atiba has been the more consistent player. Always been a starter and important player for his club and that's been the case for the last 10 years of his career. Because of that I feel over all Atiba has been the better over all player of the two. However the question asked (or at least how I interpreted it) was who the more skilled player at their peak and I chose JDG. In 2007-2008 he was Deportivo de La Coruña's player of the season. At his peak he was a truly world class player interrupting the midfield play of teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona. Unfortunately Atiba has never had the chance to prove him self at the same level.

    To me a better question would be who was the best when they were at their best, JDG or Radzinski? I know, two different positions (though Radz did play attacking mid a lot for Fulham) but for me that's a harder one to answer.

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