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    CPL tickets

    ^....so I'm not the only one having issues with multiple accounts being set up with TM now (I now have to have a Forge account to get my free Forge tickets, and apparently that doesn't allow me to use the same account as with my York 9 tickets and trying to link these with my existing TM accounts was also difficult)......I'm a veteran of using "account manager" for all the various MLSE teams and their various apps and this proved really frustrating to me with various glitches throughout the process.....I came up with some "work-arounds" like going through the web and logging into the account manager directly in order to pull up the tickets without having to use the CC app - but for someone who is not use to these machinations, I would imagine they would find it very difficult to navigate......
  2. 30% off deal?
  3. ^Sounds like a 3rd kit with those colours is coming at some point if you read the uniform descriptions for Forge.......
  4. I like how the number "9" is not assigned to a particular player --- I can imagine many people getting a kit with the name "YORK" and number "9" underneath.......could become a thing like people who buy a "FAN" "12" jersey for the Seattle Seahawks which is their most popular jersey number to sell (ie. 12th man)......if anyone uses that idea, just remember that I clearly came up with it first.....(trademark/patent pending.....ha ha ha)
  5. If you read the accompanying articles - the Forge indicate that they have a 3rd kit coming which based on the description will probably be Black and Yellow/Gold based - to reflect the other teams in that city - my hunch is that one would sell better than their more boring ones shown today. The high-res pictures where you can zoom in give you a better idea of some of the "extras" on each jersey -- I figured based on the colours that I would like Halifax best (my second team as I used to live there), and I was right, I am a sucker for the double blue. The Calgary Home one is striking, and the York home one is more interesting up close than from further away (I really wanted to like the York kits as that is my "home" team but I think I might be buying it out of obligation more than anything else....ha ha ha......)
  6. .......Its A Bold Strategy Cotton, Lets See If It Pays Off For 'Em...... Just the thought that occurred to me in the moment.....(ha ha ha).....on a more serious note, it's a bit of a gamble, the optics will look good if the place is filled with people and noise and the game "shows" well on TV -- hopefully on a more mainstream network (CBC?/TSN?!) to get as many eyeballs as possible seeing it.....the issue is whether people who get in for free will then be less inclined to pay for the product afterwards when asked for $25+ a seat for individual games.....it's the argument in Toronto about the Argos "giving away" tickets to get people in to see the product (which happens quite a lot through various promotions), most people did not magically translate into STH or future ticket buyers as the numbers have shown.....they went for the deal or when it it was free and didn't come back in any great numbers afterwards......big picture it's a nice platform for the league to be launched with - whether that actually translates into more eyeballs watching a month later or more tickets being sold is another question......the bottom line is if there was such pent-up demand and all the 10,000 lower bowl seats were gone so as to necessitate opening up the upper-bowl for more people to attend, those tickets would be being sold and not given away --- to think they are being given away for any other reason than to "paper the house" and make it look full is a little naive in my opinion -- it's a nice gesture but in my opinion its also a necessary one --- it won't surprise me if you see similar types of promotions with other teams in the league in order to make sure there is a sense of an event at launch for most of these teams as it would look horrendous if any of the "Home Openers" are half full, and the press surrounding such will not be great (.....additional "free tickets" for "friends and family" of STH as a "thank you" is a common tactic when sales are low --- it's really seen as another means of trying to drum up more sales/names to call --- the Argos have done this in the past when I was a STH for them too since moving to BMO - obviously it did not work as ST sales have gone down from 2016-2018 and that included a GC Winning season in the middle)........
  7. Just a quick question -- who hosts the Championship Final? if a different team wins each of the "two seasons" -- is it the winner of the second season as they have played more games to win their "half" of the year? is it cumulative point totals of those two teams for the whole year (it might give the winning team of the first half incentive to keep trying in the second half to ensure "home field" for the Championship?) I would assume if some team won both "seasons" they would host the team with the next most cumulative points.....any date been set yet for the Final (October 26-27)? the CFL might have a minor influence on that I would imagine depending on who hosts the game (if it's WPG they have the Blue Bombers at home on Fri Oct 25th, the Tiger Cats are not at home that weekend (Oct26-27))
  8. I think we are getting bogged down in semantics — people are focusing on the words pro or minor league - ok then, how about the idea that there is a “higher level of skill” pro league (MLS) and a “lower level of skill” pro league (CPL) - yes, the CFL is pro (but still viewed as less “talented/skilled” for the average roster player for the most part than the NFL average roster player - I am aware of the many exceptions like Warren Moon and such); and yes AHL is both “pro” (they get paid enough to make a living), and minor league, as it is affiliated with a “parent club”.....the point is the average level of skill is higher for one league/team than the other....however you classify it.... My point is the same - people in this city are less likely - in my opinion - to support a team if they have a competitor in the market playing the same sport at a higher level for a similar price.....I guess only time will tell if I am right or wrong in that regard....I am not intending to disparage the skill level of any of these athletes who are all better than I will ever be at any of these sports; I’m just saying that Toronto tends to want to pay for and watch the “best” level that is available to them, and unfortunately tends to ignore the other (very talented) athletes who compete at a lower level in the same local area......
  9. I agree with you that the Argos need to adjust - I wish they would have decided to play at York, it would have been way easier for me to attend the games....
  10. Sorry to offend --- these are pro athletes who are way better than any of us will ever be at their craft ( I have friends who have played in the league and the AHL too!) --- nonetheless in my experience I have found that sports fans tend to support the "highest" levels played of the sport in this area at a much greater rate and tend to "ignore" the lower levels of the sport played in this region - CFL athletes are awesome (Pinball is one of my favourite HUMANS I've ever had the pleasure of knowing)- but Toronto definitely has an "NFL is better complex" that hurts the sales of the CFL here in my opinion. Most young people that I know who follow football (for example) can identify more NFL players than CFL players....I come from the generation when CFL was a big deal in this market and the Argos really mattered - that simply is not the case for most football fans under 40.....just because I and a small niche audience (who skews older) love the CFL (which I do), doesn't mean it's going to sell to a wider audience who I think tend to "look down" on the league (or simply ignore it completely) in a city like Toronto.....so unfortunately, yes, I do think the wider public perception of the league does matter and will affect sales - we are a "trendy" town who tends to go all in and all out very quickly with things -- look at all of the Jays fans that came out of the woodwork when things were good in late 2015-2016, look at how quickly they all went into hiding (in terms of tickets sales and viewership last season) soon thereafter....unfortunately being seen as "cool" and "major league" matters in the GTA.....
  11. Some levity for my brevity --- Thanks!! (ha ha ha)......
  12. Ok - a level of pro soccer well beneath that which is played in MLS. I was using "minor league" as that is how I imagine others will see it in the marketplace (ie. not the highest level played in the area --- the Marlies (AHL) are "pro hockey", but most people see it as "minor league" in comparison to the Leafs).
  13. Sadly no 😄 --- my apologies.....I am done with my long-winded rants.....
  14. ^ I am not saying that we on these boards are representative of everyone in the marketplace (you're right, that is crazy!) - but a lot of the people here are some of the most engaged fans in regards to this new league; and in my opinion the average sports fan in the GTA does not even know the CPL exists frankly (almost no marketing except for the cars driving around York region). The Canadian soccer supporters on these boards are way more likely to stick around as soccer fans over the long haul, when this thing does not have mainstream popularity, than others who are more likely to try it as the flavour of the month and then bolt when the next shiny object comes along or they can't get their money back for their unused tickets..... You even wrote "expect price adjustments" --- that's my whole point (!) the prices are not appropriate in all parts of that stadium (or even to their market with no offerings of significantly discounted Youth pricing to encourage families to come to games) and the fact that there is direct competition for the "soccer fan's dollar" in this marketplace means Y9 has a much harder road than other teams do in terms of creating value for their product as they have a tough battle taking money away from TFC fans (yes some Y9 fans are also going to be TFC fans - I don't think York people consider themselves as York first and Toronto second when it comes to supporting sports teams like Hamilton fans might).....so other teams might even be able to charge Y9's prices (Edmonton was fairly close) and get away with it easier than even Y9 could..... The Argos comparison is of course not exactly the same but frankly we are talking about a Canadian based league, with a long history and massive television exposure on TSN (CPL is even worse off in my opinion as they have no history (brand equity) to speak of///will the CPL even have that type of TV coverage?), in a market that perceives itself as "major league"; we have ownership groups trying to come up with appropriate price points to sell tickets and clearly they are getting it wrong repeatedly with the CFL in this market, as their sales did not match what they thought they could get --- I'm just saying "research is fallible" and does not always reflect the reality of the marketplace demand.....and I have seen lots of organizations (very large ones in fact - sporting and non-sporting alike), create sales targets based on numbers that are simply not realistic in order to meet some type of short term revenue goal (from an owner or supervisor) that is unsustainable in the long run....I was sold by many reps as to to some crazy price points from almost every team in this city at one point or another (I am a huge sports fan who goes to lots of games of various sports) and there is usually a massive turnover in those roles because someone finds that they can't meet their bosses insane sales demands for a product (tickets/cars/widgets) which they are told to sell at a crazy price, until the next person comes along and tells that boss what they want to hear (I can sell those tickets at the price you want (ie. because I need a job)), only to find out a year later that they too are out of a job (or go to the next team in a cycle of short term employment) because this is simply an unsustainable model.....frankly I have felt so bad for some of these folks contacting me, that I have offered to take their resumes (and received more than my fair share from many sales reps!) for when the venture failed (as it usually does), and tried to help them get other jobs as I knew (and they knew) the end was near based on the ridiculous demands being made of them.....maybe this will be Y9's story and maybe not, I guess we will see..... I hope that I am wrong and this will all be a roaring success at the price points they've posted --- I am simply dubious and will take my money elsewhere and watch from the sidelines to see how it all pans out --- the sad part is I wanted this league to succeed as I think most of the posters on this board do too, I'm simply doubtful that it will in this market......
  15. I am sure the Argos did market studies for many years as to what people would pay to watch CFL football at BMO (and the dome prior to that), and clearly they got it wrong repeatedly ----- they lowered the prices and price points at BMO between 2016 to 2018 despite being told repeatedly by "customers" (like myself) - who clearly don't know as much as they do with all of their research studies - that what they were doing was wrong --- guess what? the customers were right.....For example - the Argos had 5 (?!!) different price points in Section 220 in 2016 -- this was insane and made no sense whatsoever - some seats in the same row in the same section had a different price - every customer said it was nuts --- in 2018 the entire section all went down in price and had a single price point - wow it's like Joe Public was smarter than all of the studies.....sometimes the emperor has no clothes, and everyone in the office is afraid to say anything for fear of losing their jobs --- I know lots of organizations that have been run into the ground this way..... --- the Jays lost 900,000 in sales this year after RAISING their prices after a crappy 2017 (we knew the team was "bad" after 2017 - what made people think that raising prices would sell more tickets?) --- sometimes organizations get their numbers wrong and the market won't bear what they think it will.....to me Y9 looks like they are trying to offset their start-up costs on the backs of their ST sales at a rate that does not make sense in relation to the value of the product in the marketplace --- MLSE had to lose a lot of money on TFC at the beginning with $199 and $229 season tickets just to get people into the building to see an "unknown" product and try to grow it from there....without deep pockets this thing is not going to get through its first 3-5 years of growing pains....I'll believe that 10,000-15,000 stadium will be up and filled, when I see it with my own eyes....until then this is fantasy land.....
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