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  1. 2 hours ago, Initial B said:

    I was at a meeting on the weekend in Ottawa where Anthony Totera was giving a talk about CPL to a bunch of parents and their kids. When asked about the Fury, he said he couldn't talk about *anything* regarding them because the situation was still too fresh and hot. Maybe in a couple of years he said. My gut feel is that the Fury would be okay with joining the CPL in a year or two, but the CPL may not be. The tension between the two viewpoints feels... weird and odd. I can't explain it.

    From what I've seen purely as a fan looking from the outside, it looks to me that CPL and Fury were presented to each other poorly from the beginning. Fury ownership has little experience with soccer and weren't expecting all this when they took an NASL team years ago. I'm sure switching leagues constantly isn't something they were expecting to deal with. I doubt they did serious research into CPL when it was little more than a concept up to when they were approached.

    It's purely business to OSEG. If CPL looks solid in its inaugural year, you'll see them soften up and gain interest. It's in CPL's best interest to eventually bring them in, whether the relationship is friendly or just pure business. OSEG have the best stadium and location in the city - setting up competition to this less ideal to just bringing them on board.

    Its correct that the situation is still relatively 'fresh and hot'. CPL should just start its season for now and do everything to remove doubt that it is a better league than USL - specifically from a money making perspective.

  2. Fury management's lack of footy experience or insight is starting to show - and that has been the root cause of all the drama from the last few months. I don't think Fury were ever against CPL, they just figured it's too much effort to 'learn' a new league and system when they had a status quo that was 'good enough' in USL. It turned into a battle of egos with unwillingness let CPL change the comfy business situation they had.

    While CONCACAF's decision makes a lot of sense and is probably correct, its turned a fragile situation into a disaster. Problem is OSEG is tuned to think in North American sports terms, where there's basically no national federations being governing bodies and playing in cross border leagues is normal. Development for national teams is non-existant and the only thing they see is $$$. I don't see them responding to this in a constructive way - this is territory that the vast majority of people in OSEG have little idea how to handle.

    Situations like this are the major draw back to having North American hockey/gridiron ownership groups trying soccer. It's a completely different world.

    Fury is now best in CPL next year, but that's far from being simple now.

  3. 3 hours ago, CDNFootballer said:

    "For me, it would be the chance to win a trophy, two trophies, whether it’s in the Canadian Championship or USL… If I was to leave the club in three years, I want to leave this club with a trophy.”

    I get the feeling Ottawa Fury likely won't be joining CPL in the next few years, hope I'm wrong.

    This may be JDG's viewpoint more than Fury's. For some reason, he doesn't seem supportive of CPL - encouraging players to avoid it and so forth.

    Fury FO are purely business oriented and have little football knowledge. They'll join CPL when they're convinced it's a safer business venture than USL.

  4. 27 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    What does this have to do with the CPL?

    There was a time when Melnyk likely would have been interested in CPL, back when he was pursuing MLS for Ottawa. That's long gone though, and changed drastically.

  5. 1 hour ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    Why does no one even consider Eddie Edwards at RB?

    He's had a solid career in North American div 2 leagues. For a position with little depth he's an option, but CanMNT level is at least MLS. He hasn't really shown that he can play a level above NASL/USL.

    He should be given the chance, but, since the CanMNT isn't playing games, no player is getting opportunities.

  6. I'm involved with one of the two Ottawa groups, and I've personally heard nothing like @Olympique_de_Marseille. Whatever Fury intends to do next year, it's a very tightly kept secret. There is no information at all, which is understandable given that they want to respect the USL season. If they announce that they are leaving next year, USL attendance and interest will tank for the current season.

    If I remember correctly, they announced that they were leaving NASL a few days before the final home game in that league. Based on that, I would expect a similar time-line this time as well.

    Ottawa's ownership group has a lot to learn about the sport, but their business decisions with Fury have been good so far. Fury is, at the end of the day, a product they own that they want to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if they're still in the process of deciding whether to join CanPL or take a 'wait and see' approach and stick with USL for 2019, potentially joining CanPL in 2020 if they like what they see - this is pure speculation on my part.

  7. That stadium would be perfect for a nasl club

    My thoughts exactly.

    It would be an ideal location to host WCQ from a competitive standpoint. But, with turf, small capacity, and fairly 'non-marketable' location, it unfortunately won't be happening.

    Thanks for maintaining this thread Joe! It's really interesting.

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