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    Free kick reacted to Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    I agree with that.
    I'm sure there'd be a gradational drop off as well. Say perhaps Bradley signs a 2-year contract, whereby 2020 earns him $4M and 2021 earns him $2M. That's $3M averaged over 2 years.
    The total outlay would be the same, but at least the compensation per year would be more commensurate with what he'll bring (according to our crystal ball😄).
    That said, I could be convinced that Bradley in 2021 won't be worth $2M/yr. You could even make the argument he is not worth that money now, and I would listen. 
    But still, I find it hard to imagine him taking an astronomical pay cut, even if management can make the argument why he should. This is still a human with a family we are dealing with, let's not forget.
    Moreover, sometimes it isn't about the money itself, but the message. Money represents value and you are essentially telling the player he is not valuable anymore, because otherwise you'd be paying him big money.
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Even $3m a year starting in 2020 (when presumably Bradley may have slowed down even further) would be tough to justify if I'm at TFC management. The current stats for Bradley (based on 2018 & early in 2019) do not warrant a $3m a year salary, so you'd have to justify this based on the leadership intangibles that he provides which make this a very successful club. You can do that based on what happened in 2017 and maybe early 2018 but the club will need to be much improved over last year in 2019 to demonstrate that these intangibles are leading to on-field success and will continue to do so in the future even if the lack of goals (he last scored in 2016 for the club, including missed PK's in finals), assists and defensive take-aways/interceptions aren't there to back up his claim for a continued DP salary (while there may also be a corresponding increase in incompleted passes/give-aways, etc.).
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    Free kick reacted to jpg75 in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    3 more years after this year. He turns 30 this season, he'll be 33 his last year. If he's a DP - which i assume he will be - this contract will kill us at the end.
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    I just listened to this (or at least the TFC portion of it). It's quite interesting in that they both seem to put the blame 100% on Vanney for last night and you don't  hear that as much in the media (I guess because its a podcast they maybe felt a little bit freed up to be more honest or forthright).
    But what they say feeds into what I was posting about in the CCL thread, that you really get the feeling that there's some directive on high to de-prioritize these matches, probably because of the alleged toll that it took on the team in MLS last season. The insistence on playing 4-3-3 despite not having the personnel for it strikes me as someone telling Vanney "We're going to judge you on how you do in the regular season and playoffs, not the CCL, so prioritize that" - hence he is using these games to get the team used to playing in a 4-3-3 because that's what he wants to do in the regular season and so use these games as prep for that purpose rather than all-out "win at all costs" mentality that they had last year for this tourney. That might also explain the use of 3rd stringers/TFC2 players ahead of the 2nd stringers who are more of a known quantity - ie. let's try the teenagers out and see what they can do. Not exactly "throw the game" (I don't think they knew much about this time or expected to lose 4-0) but more of a " if we win great, but top priority is prep for the season".
    I could be wrong of course, but that's the impression they give and nothing that KJ and Caldwell said here contradicts that, only supports it - my theory is what perhaps helps to explain the tactical arrogance/stubborness (as they call it).
    Nice to hear the voice of Sean Keay by the way, who used to post on this forum years back.
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    Free kick reacted to Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Listing to the KJ and Caldwell podcast right now. I am absolutely fuming  because they are so spot on.
    Both men are in agreement here. Firstly, Vanney walked into this game with tactical arrogance, or tactical stubburnece. Whatever you want to call it, doesn't matter, but the point is he put square pegs in round holes.
    If you insist on playing 4-3-3, you need elite wingers, but Dorsey isn't elite and Morrow isn't a winger. Vanney went to Man City 3 times to watch the team. He wants the team to play in that image, but Sane and Sterling are elite. That's the difference.
    And it's clear Vanney approached the game with the attitude that this is how 2019 TFC will play, so this is the formation tonight, even if we don't have the players yet, because we must learn this style. But as we know, you need results and you need to be difficult to beat and TFC were none of that.
    Anyways, absolutely shambolic.
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    Free kick reacted to Mikmacdo in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    I am getting tired of this Pozuelo Saga, there must be a similar player in Brazil or Argentina they could sign without all this hassle. 
    Our Media sucks they never break stories and now Kristan Jack has deleted the team confirming Menendez is coming to TFC. 
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    Free kick reacted to Grizzly in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Ciman is better at setting up goals than stopping them being scored against. If you do not have a good offence and finishers, he will be a poor CB for you. Not a solid defensive CB at all. He makes some nice defensive plays at times but half the time is out of position, ie. he is spectacular but not solid or consistent.
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    Free kick reacted to Mikmacdo in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Why not? 
    Jozy seems to want out and there have been rumors of Balotelli to MLS for over a year. It's a lot more realistic than corona or origi etc. People who seem to know the player says he has a name that people would know. 
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    Free kick reacted to Club Linesman in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    That lineup does not instil fear of any sort, except in TFC fans.  We don’t win any hardware with that lineup except maybe the Canadian Championship. Ali needs to make something happen and soon.
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Denial of what, in particular? I don't recall TFC fans en masse saying MLS is on par with the top European leagues, which is the strawman argument emerging from that Sid Sexeiro rant that I am referring to. And I don't recall any fans on this board claiming that Osorio had offers from any top clubs or leagues in Europe either (although a pretty decent club in South America was confirmed to be interested in him FWIW). The club said he had interest from Europe, which is a pretty big place and I don't recall that they ever specified one of the top 4 or 5 leagues there.
    However, what's apparent with all of the many so-called "outliers" of the last few months is that most people would call that many recent examples an emerging trend rather than hopelessly arguing that all of these examples for some reason don't count - that way leads towards being on a par with the People's Front of Judea  (or was it the Judean People's Front - I can never remember). There was very nearly another one with Lucio Acosta almost winding up at PSG by all accounts to the point that the player flew to Paris with the intention of completing the deal (something that Sixeiro would have been better off talking about this news coming out of DC than whining about Wayne Rooney but it didn't fit the anti-MLS narrative he wanted to rant about so he ignored it - or was just ignorant about it in the first place, neither of which makes him look good). In the last few months there have been two record transfers out of MLS (Davies record was just broken by Almiron) along with two others transfers that all went to one of the top 4 leagues (1 to EPL, 3 to Bundesliga). It all suggests that the top leagues are looking at MLS more to acquire emerging/younger talent than they have been before. Giovinco isn't in that category now that he's turned 32. Is MLS pretending that this is not the case? Who knows, because we still haven't received an answer to the question of the claim of what MLS is pretending to be that was made here.
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    Free kick reacted to RS in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    This is exactly the same for the other MLS clubs in Canada, but TFC gets the most flack for it because the team also has American management.
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Sorry, but that whole video comes across to me like a giant strawman argument. He seems to be debunking the theory that MLS is on the same level as the top "elite" European leagues, but I haven't actually seen anyone actually make this claim to begin with. I'm also not sure why 3 Canadian teams not making the playoffs is bad for the league (may not be great for Canadian players or growing the sport tv ratings wise in Canada, but does it really hurt the league as a whole?). And the Alphonso Davies being an outlier....and same with Tyler Adams, and same with Chris Richards and same with Almiron.......it was starting to remind me of John Cleese as the leader of the Jewish Underground in Life of Brian ie "Well all right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?" If you list four examples which all occurred recently and then call them all "outliers", it just looks unintentionally hilarious.
    Sorry, normally I like Sid's soccer rants but I think he's largely out to lunch on this one.
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    Free kick got a reaction from Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    That cant be the guy they have in mind for DP.   Just heard Manning on the radio and he stated that it would be a player that soccer fans (he may have even used casual soccer fan) would be familar with.  Usually that will mean someone who is an international and played at the World Cup and/or would have played on side that is not a long shot.   And/or played in one of the big three or four leagues (one whose games are televised in Canada) in europe and not for a typical relegation bound side.  Unless its an american or a mexican.   
    An algerian player from the Russian league would not fit that description.  
    Gregory Vander Weil has greater name recognition,  than the player thats being alluded to here.  And he was acquired with TAM money. 
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    Free kick got a reaction from Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    I don’t disagree with anything you said.  Also, it would find it very difficult to justify matching that reported offer if that 10 mill is correct for the reasons you mentioned.  
    But it doesn’t change the massive crater in the roster that this departure represents.   If they agree to spend on the next guy what they did for Giovinco when they signed him,  then maybe there is glimmer of hope.   But I’m not holding my breath.  They were lucky to end up with Giovinco as I alluded to earlier in other posts and they got arguably more than what they paid for.
    if they decide to spend 5mil a year for next DP instead of the 7mill a year they gave Giovinco,  then what they will have is a $5mill DP.  And,  there have been others in the league of that value.  Including some who have never delivered a trophy.  That’s the frustrating part.  After watching TFC signing of the past, I tend to view it like buying a lottery,  after ten years they hit the jackpot with the Giovinco signing.  Before that they got a few free tickets but not much else. 
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    Free kick reacted to Bison44 in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    With Gio visiting the middle east, coming up lame in practice etc it hurt TFC bargaining power.  If the sheik can overpay by a mil or two in wages, you'd think we could have gotten a mil or two more in transfer.  But when Gio/agent are forcing TFC's hand what are you going to do?  The trouble with a ew guy is that so many DP's are busts.  Its not easy to bring in someone (no matter what you are spending) and get someone motivated that will mesh with the MLS game.  If Altidore is healthy he is still one of the better strikers in the league so we dont have to bring in a Rooney/Ibra/villa etc.  And like Obinna said, this will make it easier to extend Altidore and Bradley (on less money/cross your fingers).  
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    Free kick got a reaction from Club Linesman in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Yes.  This is similar to a point I made earlier.  There seems to be a misconception that TFC never spent before the Giovinco era.  But they did spend.  It’s just that they never got the same value in return and they never allow the chemistry to form.   I don’t know that you can replace what Giovinco brings given the Constraints of MLS.  
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    The reality is they were never going to pay $7 million or even slightly less for Giovinco again (just like they won't for Bradley or $5 million again for the often-injured Altidore). Giovinco has said he would have accepted less to stay in Toronto, but how much less?
    They probably won't be paying $7million for his replacement. While the franchise value for TFC has grown (skyrocketed?) the team actually has been losing money in the profit & loss column since they started with the Bradley/Defoe DP signings. If MLSE sees that teams can win championships by not spending as much as TFC (while still spending big), you can bet that they will direct the team to try that option. The team will remain big spenders (I understand the closest they got to making money was in 2016/2017 thanks to the playoff runs, including the high ratings for TSN which apparently saved the TSN broadcasting deal), but probably not at the same levels which, arguably, were over-spends in the case of its two American DP's (but I would say still justifiable, wise signings given that they helped to turn the franchise around from laughing stock to best in the league by 2017).
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    Free kick reacted to dyslexic nam in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Yeah, this isn't meant as anti-TFC, but I can't blame Gio a bit if the numbers being tossed round here are even remotely accurate.  $10M to play abroad - compared to $3-5M (or even $6/7M) here?  If they have him for a couple of years, he is making a huge amount of additional money.
    I like my current employer and appreciate my job, but if someone offered me twice as much money and the same amount of job security the only thing my boss would see from me is a vapour trail. 
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    Free kick got a reaction from dyslexic nam in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Yes.  This is similar to a point I made earlier.  There seems to be a misconception that TFC never spent before the Giovinco era.  But they did spend.  It’s just that they never got the same value in return and they never allow the chemistry to form.   I don’t know that you can replace what Giovinco brings given the Constraints of MLS.  
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    Free kick reacted to Gian-Luca in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    It's a shame but it's something I figured might happen by the end of the year.
    The Boyd signing is not the DP signing, thankfully - at least not according to this:
    https://www.wakingthered.com/2019/1/30/18204815/reports-toronto-fc-set-to-acquire-terrence-boyd
    Seems more like a replacement for Ricketts at best.
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    Free kick reacted to Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    He says he would have accepted less to stay, but they apparently offered him $2.5M, which is a slap in the face.
    @Mikmacdo another thing to consider is the negative atmosphere they've created. If not with the players, then undoubtedly the fans.
    When Seba came in, the club already had turned the corner. However, his replacement will come in under much more difficult circumstances, as will the other new players. Even if the new players should be upgrades, can they perform with this black cloud hanging over the club?
    I already feel bad for Terrance Boyd. He'll surely be the new whipping boy if he doesn't perform.
    "Yeah...sure we sold Giovinco....but look who we brought in....TERRANCE BOYD"!
     
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    Free kick got a reaction from Obinna in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Yes.  This is similar to a point I made earlier.  There seems to be a misconception that TFC never spent before the Giovinco era.  But they did spend.  It’s just that they never got the same value in return and they never allow the chemistry to form.   I don’t know that you can replace what Giovinco brings given the Constraints of MLS.  
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    Free kick reacted to dyslexic nam in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Its not like spending that sort of money is a guarantee that you will get a high impact player like Gio.  If it were, every DP would be a home run for their team.  But they aren't because there is a lot more to getting an effective player than splashing a bit of cash.
    Maybe Gio was asking too much - but there is no doubt whatsoever that he will leave a big whole in the side, and take a significant pile of goals that will have to be replaced. 
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    Free kick reacted to kacbru in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    Looking forward to Trillium's "days till TFC is eliminated from the playoffs" thread...
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    Free kick reacted to Club Linesman in TFC 2018-2019 Off-season   
    TFC 3.0 not looking good.  Better do something soon or we are falling back into the abyss.
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