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1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said:

What will actually be interesting is to compare the projections with the table about 8 to 10 weeks into the season.  To me, ranking them right now is basically throwing darts given how little we know about many players and how hard it is to compare some of their current/past levels - so it will be interesting to see how accurate (or not) people are.

I agree. I think at this point Power Rankings are just for fun - and for comparison in the future. 

It's also interesting to see how different people's projections are. 

For me, I'm currently ranking my expectations as follow:

  1. Forge FC
  2. York 9 FC
  3. Pacific FC
  4. Valour FC
  5. HFX Wanderers FC
  6. FC Edmonton
  7. Cavalry FC

This is of course subject to change once full rosters are out and some pre-season news / streams start being released. I agree with the group that the Ontario teams look like some of the strongest. Pacific has also impressed me with a combination of a veteran in Harber but strong young players with chemistry all from the same area / development programs. I struggle with ordering 4, 5, and 6. Valour I know a few more of the players so that gives them the edge, but I like what HFX has done by bringing in players that Hart already has a relationship with and in many cases (Trinidad Trio in particular) already have a relationship with each other. Cavalry... I don't know. I feel like their team is being built from PDL, but I'm expecting CPL to be closer to USL quality and so I think Cavalry will struggle.

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On 2/1/2019 at 4:41 PM, Copes said:

For me, I'm currently ranking my expectations as follow:

  1. Forge FC
  2. York 9 FC
  3. Pacific FC
  4. Valour FC
  5. HFX Wanderers FC
  6. FC Edmonton
  7. Cavalry FC

I am calling it identical but with Pacific and Valour above York. Based on signings so far, on technical ability of coaches, on the mentality shown as well. 

For example, I seriously mistrust Brennan, and have doubts about how York9 will be run. I'm ignorant about Valour. I think HFX just does not have the local talent to be able to draw. I was not sure about Pacific but they've convinced me with signings and I think they'll be tough at home. 

On the other hand, I have a lot of faith in Wheeldon but I think they may be underestimating the talent level needed. If Cavalry surprises us, because they have a good coach, are the group most used to playing together, and are feisty as a sort of underdog from the start, all power to them. But I think they may need over half the season to get there. 

 

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Here are my rankings given this week's signings:

1) Pacific FC - Fisk pushes them over the top with the other 2 signings very good additions. MDJ signing would only stake this claim even more. 

2) Forge FC - Another solid Sigma signing - a little more diversity will be needed to push them over the top. Why not go for an International with experience on the cheap, like a Kevin Parsemain? This would push them to Number 1. Oh yah, and they need a GK!

3) York 9 FC - Goggarty will not be the most skilled nor best 1 vs 1 defender in the league but he's a warrior and should add depth and competitiveness to a solid looking York back line.

4) Valour FC - Still the dark horse IMO with players from a variety of backgrounds. How well Gale can get them to gel will determine their success.

5) HFX Wanderers - Halifax's two additions show that Hart's team is going to be quick and athletic, which should contribute to his relatively direct style of play. The lack of an out-n-out striker (which I recognize few teams in this league have) and my belief that they will have a hard to time possessing the ball when up against the styles of play of the other teams (think how possession-oriented Smyrniotis is) contributes to their low ranking. 

6) Edmonton FC - Despite their low ranking, I don't think they'll get pummeled in the league with respect to the score line. However, their roster is more extensive than any other team's at this point and I don't see a goal scorer a part from Ameobi nor a midfield general who can control the play. That, and they have a young GK crew which I predict will let in a few unnecessary goals due to a lack of experience. Hopefully, one of these young lads can prove me wrong. 

7) Cavalry FC - Too many PDL players and I don't see anyone to help them grow. Not hating on Joel Waterman, but I don't see him adding anything huge to Cavalry FC's defence, granted I've rarely seen him play. Wheeldon Jr will have to make these last few signings count b/c I don't think Brown's academy history is enough to go on ... 

 

 

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@Senorpopps i feel pfc are being overrated right now mainly because everyone thinks mdj is gonna sign, they have a pretty inexperienced team (a lot of guys didn't do all that much last year), and no real back line or #1 keeper. until that happens they're #3 for me. mdj signing would boost em but they are not over forge currently.

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Pacific FC have to be at the top for me. Not only in terms of the players and coach, but also the logo and stadium. Hell, they even have a team store, don't they?

I have no connection to Victoria, or Vancouver Island for that matter. My local team is Cavalry. 

That said, it is really hard to dislike what PFC are doing. I am very impressed.

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9 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Pacific FC have to be at the top for me. Not only in terms of the players and coach, but also the logo and stadium. Hell, they even have a team store, don't they?

I have no connection to Victoria, or Vancouver Island for that matter. My local team is Cavalry. 

That said, it is really hard to dislike what PFC are doing. I am very impressed.

no they have a boring logo. i asked a designer pal what he thought and he was like "that's a sports team? what the fuck is that?" which i found funny...he liked hfx, a logo i find busy

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26 minutes ago, matty said:

no they have a boring logo. i asked a designer pal what he thought and he was like "that's a sports team? what the fuck is that?" which i found funny...he liked hfx, a logo i find busy

Lol that is pretty funny.

I actually like their alternative logo more, but their primary one, I think, is still one of the best. It's all subjective though.

Speaking of secondary logos and Halifax, that is another club who's secondary logo is better - much better.

That one should be the primary imo!

 

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1 hour ago, Obinna said:

I never understood what's going on there. Is that hair?

 

1 hour ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

I think it's like a merman medussa.

 

9 minutes ago, kacbru said:

Looks more like the prow of a boat in the process of sinking...

i think it's supposed to be 80s cool. like new coke, max headroom, things that would become floral shoppe and eccojams

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On 2/7/2019 at 8:40 PM, matty said:

no they have a boring logo. i asked a designer pal what he thought and he was like "that's a sports team? what the fuck is that?" which i found funny...he liked hfx, a logo i find busy

Yes, but about logos: I wear all of HFX, Calvary and Forge shirts around Barcelona, along with Pacific FC, and the only one that gets a reaction is the latter. I think the Forge alternative logo on grey is the nicest, and it happens to be comfortable, but people are intrigued by that odd Pacific logo. I think it may be because it is like a lot of techno or electronic music scene logos, it has cool tones, is abstract, and maybe a bit spacey. I think it needs serious adjustments (the letters are way too small), but with various iterations and alterations there is a lot to work with there. 

I know that some people know this, but I teach university-level design, not to say I know more (though I better know some things more than most), and there is no arguing with taste. I am more saying this in relation to you asking a designer friend: fortunately even in the professional realm there is difference of opinion.

If you create a design that the majority recognise as good, you should automatically consider this: you are not ahead of the game, you are just with it. A degree of estrangement, of slightly incredulous reactions, should be present if you are pushing at the limits. This is what Pacific and Forge do better than all the others.

Anyways, unlike with many company logos or registered trademarks, sports teams tend to have their logos evolve to enable merchandising iterations. They are not heraldic (with old clubs in Europe they almost do have heraldic status and can't be overly tweaked without major complaints), so you can make corrections and do shifts to keep the merchandising fresh. But shirt sponsors have taught this to football, not the designers of logos. 

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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Yes, but about logos: I wear all of HFX, Calvary and Forge shirts around Barcelona, along with Pacific FC, and the only one that gets a reaction is the latter. I think the Forge alternative logo on grey is the nicest, and it happens to be comfortable, but people are intrigued by that odd Pacific logo. I think it may be because it is like a lot of techno or electronic music scene logos, it has cool tones, is abstract, and maybe a bit spacey. I think it needs serious adjustments (the letters are way too small), but with various iterations and alterations there is a lot to work with there. 

That's the point of my comment. It doesn't ring as an athletic logo.

1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I know that some people know this, but I teach university-level design, not to say I know more (though I better know some things more than most), and there is no arguing with taste. I am more saying this in relation to you asking a designer friend: fortunately even in the professional realm there is difference of opinion.

You're not really saying it's a difference of opinion with the point. He's reaction was that it didn't look like something for a sports team and you've said people seem to agree. I'd be curious to see someone do this in like Regina or Windsor and see what they think it's a logo for.

My friend actually felt for the designers as he felt, given the name and location of the team, they had to work with something somewhat confused and gave props to them for that.

1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

If you create a design that the majority recognise as good, you should automatically consider this: you are not ahead of the game, you are just with it. A degree of estrangement, of slightly incredulous reactions, should be present if you are pushing at the limits. This is what Pacific and Forge do better than all the others.

Not really, doing when something on bleeding edge is done in design you can usually tell and generally the reception is fairly positive (at least contemporary). Nothing Pacific is doing is on the edge design wise, neither is Forge (Forge less so but Forge's tone is awesome).

1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Anyways, unlike with many company logos or registered trademarks, sports teams tend to have their logos evolve to enable merchandising iterations. They are not heraldic (with old clubs in Europe they almost do have heraldic status and can't be overly tweaked without major complaints), so you can make corrections and do shifts to keep the merchandising fresh. But shirt sponsors have taught this to football, not the designers of logos. 

THIS IS SO TRUE. The sponsor sells a lot of kits.

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On 2/9/2019 at 10:05 AM, matty said:
 

Anyways, unlike with many company logos or registered trademarks, sports teams tend to have their logos evolve to enable merchandising iterations. They are not heraldic (with old clubs in Europe they almost do have heraldic status and can't be overly tweaked without major complaints), so you can make corrections and do shifts to keep the merchandising fresh. But shirt sponsors have taught this to football, not the designers of logos. 

This. If you look at the logos of the original MLS teams from the mid-90s they are almost all horrible. Many have actually changed their names.

TBH I'm not a huge fan of Pacific's primary logo and I can see the secondary logo becoming the primary fairly quickly. I can also see substantial tweaks to Cavalry & York 9 within a few years. But that's the thing - few logos stand the test of time. In North America very few teams have kept their logos from 75 years ago until now. (Montreal Canadiens, New York Yankees, San Francisco Giants are the ones I can think of and even the Giants changed due to moving to SF in the mid-50s)

I expect in 10 to 15 years most if not all the current logos will have undergone a substantial revision

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