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2 minutes ago, Robert said:

Ultimately, the attendance that the CPL manages to attract will prove to be the deciding factor in determining success and failure. The equation for that is very simple:

The CPL still operating in 2026 = Success

The CPL folding before 2026 = Failure

At this point, we can only speculate what those attendance numbers will be. What we do know is the what the public perception is of individual sports. In general, people tend to agree that Canada is the best country in the world when it comes to hockey, much the same as Brazil being seen as the best when it comes to soccer, and China in ping-pong, etc, etc. Conversely, there is also a general perception about Canada when it comes to soccer. Dispelling that unflattering perception is the greatest challenge facing the CPL. Sure, the Voyageurs and the families and friends of those playing for CPL clubs will be buying tickets, but obviously that's not going to be anywhere near enough to sustain this league. So the key question at this point is: What are the CPL and its 7 clubs doing to convert those whose perceptions need to be changed?

I think the core of that is appealing to this being our league and developing a culture for the game for the sevearl million people in this country who are connected to it directly or indirectly.  Players, parents, referees, fans, ect..   It doesn't suck that Team X plays in podunk studium Y, we need to make that the charm of it.  The sense that everyone involved is part of growing something.  You need a sense of community from top to bottom. 

This is easy to say, but I think very very hard to do. 

If you want to talk about where the CSA has failed, it is leadership in this regard. They have not fostered a culture for the game that is Canadian.  That doesn't mean it was or is an easy problem to solve.  The problem is that many think we need to be Brazil to do that, you don't.

  

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, socceronly said:

I think the core of that is appealing to this being our league and developing a culture for the game for the sevearl million people in this country who are connected to it directly or indirectly.  Players, parents, referees, fans, ect..   It doesn't suck that Team X plays in podunk studium Y, we need to make that the charm of it.  The sense that everyone involved is part of growing something.  You need a sense of community from top to bottom. 

This is easy to say, but I think very very hard to do. 

If you want to talk about where the CSA has failed, it is leadership in this regard. They have not fostered a culture for the game that is Canadian.  That doesn't mean it was or is an easy problem to solve.  The problem is that many think we need to be Brazil to do that, you don't.

  

 

 

 

Keeping what you just said in mind, do you feel that the CSA is doing everything it possibly can to support the CPL, because in order to achieve success at any level, all parties with a vested interest, whether directly or indirectly, must do their utmost best?

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11 minutes ago, Robert said:

Keeping what you just said in mind, do you feel that the CSA is doing everything it possibly can to support the CPL, because in order to achieve success at any level, all parties with a vested interest, whether directly or indirectly, must do their utmost best?

No doubt, from anyone I have talked to there is real excitment and desire to see this succeed and flourish.  What I don't know when stopping and thinking about it is where the lines in the sand are drawn in terms of what they can actually do directly.  They can't say, bluntly spend their entire marketing budget on promoting a private entity, oversight would smack that down pretty fast and people would lose their jobs.

I don't know what limits exist when private/public interests overlap like this.  How much would we want any government body to side with and support a private entity operating in the same space?   I mean obviously we give hundreds of millions of dollars to private enterprise ala Bombardier ect... but there must be some ethical guidelines that are followed based on the mandates of the organization itself. 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, socceronly said:

No doubt, from anyone I have talked to there is real excitment and desire to see this succeed and flourish.  What I don't know when stopping and thinking about it is where the lines in the sand are drawn in terms of what they can actually do directly.  They can't say, bluntly spend their entire marketing budget on promoting a private entity, oversight would smack that down pretty fast and people would lose their jobs.

I don't know what limits exist when private/public interests overlap like this.  How much would we want any government body to side with and support a private entity operating in the same space?   I mean obviously we give hundreds of millions of dollars to private enterprise ala Bombardier ect... but there must be some ethical guidelines that are followed based on the mandates of the organization itself. 

 

 

 

 

The CSA, like all governing soccer bodies, will never fold. Regardless of how poorly the CSA performs, both administratively and on the field with all of its different men's and women's national teams, there will always be a national soccer association in this country that is going to be funded by the taxes it levies on Canadian soccer communities. When political leaders start personally helping themselves to taxed revenue, heads eventually roll, but the governing body lives on, as we've seen with FIFA.

We all know, that the CPL, like every other domestic soccer league throughout the world, does not enjoyed such the same privileged position that the CSA does. However, considering that every successful national soccer association in the world, with the exception of Canada, has within its jurisdiction a domestic league from which the best players are selected to play for the national teams, shouldn't the CSA being doing its utmost best in supporting a once-in-a-lifetime endeavor to get with it internationally speaking? Federal governments support private industries if they create jobs for the people, so why shouldn't the CSA help the CPL if the latter creates jobs for Canadian soccer players? Today, the really successful national soccer associations even go as far as having national women's leagues within their jurisdictions, which given our current position, Canada is still light-years away from considering, but let's save the discussion of a women's CPL for another day.

Is the CSA viewing the CPL as just another source of taxable revenue, or is the CSA going to its utmost best to support a private venture aiming to create jobs for Canadian soccer players! Like who in their right mind would fire anyone from the CSA for choosing the latter?

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I honestly believe that by 2026 nearly half the roster would have come through CPL before making a jump to a bigger league  

For 2022, I see it very difficult as the foundation has been laid and you have a pretty good projection already of who will be there 

Im sure that in the first 4 seasons we can find some new players that will come out of nowhere and shine to catch Herdman’s eye, there’s always stories like that

Like that kid who played as a 19 year old in the Greece super League and now drafted into the CPL 

I’m sure to kind of raise the popularity and revelance of this league you need to call up a few players from it and ones that came through 

If we qualify to Qatar it will give it a big boost 

 

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34 minutes ago, Thomas said:

I honestly believe that by 2026 nearly half the roster would have come through CPL before making a jump to a bigger league  

For 2022, I see it very difficult as the foundation has been laid and you have a pretty good projection already of who will be there 

Im sure that in the first 4 seasons we can find some new players that will come out of nowhere and shine to catch Herdman’s eye, there’s always stories like that

Like that kid who played as a 19 year old in the Greece super League and now drafted into the CPL 

I’m sure to kind of raise the popularity and revelance of this league you need to call up a few players from it and ones that came through 

If we qualify to Qatar it will give it a big boost 

 

We will soon find out. World Cup qualifying for RUSSIA 2018 began as follows:

Confederation Available slots in finals Teams started Teams eliminated Teams qualified Qualifying start date Qualifying end date
AFC 4.5 46 41 5 12 March 2015 15 November 2017
CAF 5 54 49 5 7 October 2015 14 November 2017
CONCACAF 3.5 35 32 3 22 March 2015 15 November 2017
CONMEBOL 4.5 10 5 5 8 October 2015 15 November 2017
OFC 0.5 11 11 0 31 August 2015 15 November 2017
UEFA 13+1 54+1 41 13+1 4 September 2016 14 November 2017
Total 31+1 210+1 179 31+1 12 March 2015 15 November 2017

Canada played its first qualifying match for RUSSIA 2018 on June 11, 2015, against Domenica. That means we are roughly just 7 months away from Canada's first qualifying match for Qatar 2022, if FIFA sticks to a similar timetable. With the CPL then being only 2 months into its inaugural season, it is extremely unlikely that any of its players will be representing Canada at that time. Possibly, if we make it to the HEX in 2021, there might be a player or two from the CPL playing for Canada. Personally, I think 2026 would be a more realistic scenario for CPL players to represent Canada in World Cup competition, but all of that hinges on whether or not the CPL makes it to season number 8.

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9 hours ago, Robert said:

We will soon find out. World Cup qualifying for RUSSIA 2018 began as follows:

Confederation Available slots in finals Teams started Teams eliminated Teams qualified Qualifying start date Qualifying end date
AFC 4.5 46 41 5 12 March 2015 15 November 2017
CAF 5 54 49 5 7 October 2015 14 November 2017
CONCACAF 3.5 35 32 3 22 March 2015 15 November 2017
CONMEBOL 4.5 10 5 5 8 October 2015 15 November 2017
OFC 0.5 11 11 0 31 August 2015 15 November 2017
UEFA 13+1 54+1 41 13+1 4 September 2016 14 November 2017
Total 31+1 210+1 179 31+1 12 March 2015 15 November 2017

Canada played its first qualifying match for RUSSIA 2018 on June 11, 2015, against Domenica. That means we are roughly just 7 months away from Canada's first qualifying match for Qatar 2022, if FIFA sticks to a similar timetable. With the CPL then being only 2 months into its inaugural season, it is extremely unlikely that any of its players will be representing Canada at that time. Possibly, if we make it to the HEX in 2021, there might be a player or two from the CPL playing for Canada. Personally, I think 2026 would be a more realistic scenario for CPL players to represent Canada in World Cup competition, but all of that hinges on whether or not the CPL makes it to season number 8.

I think you can expect the timetable for qualifying to change. Just look at the Nations League calendar and you can see that we can't possibly start World Cup qualifying at a similar time as last time around. The World Cup being in November/December instead of June/July buys a few more months, but more importantly I expect there to be a new qualifying format in CONCACAF this time around, with no hex.

Of course none of this has anything to do with 2026 or the CPL, so we are firmly off topic.

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13 hours ago, Robert said:

The CSA, like all governing soccer bodies, will never fold. Regardless of how poorly the CSA performs, both administratively and on the field with all of its different men's and women's national teams, there will always be a national soccer association in this country that is going to be funded by the taxes it levies on Canadian soccer communities. When political leaders start personally helping themselves to taxed revenue, heads eventually roll, but the governing body lives on, as we've seen with FIFA.

We all know, that the CPL, like every other domestic soccer league throughout the world, does not enjoyed such the same privileged position that the CSA does. However, considering that every successful national soccer association in the world, with the exception of Canada, has within its jurisdiction a domestic league from which the best players are selected to play for the national teams, shouldn't the CSA being doing its utmost best in supporting a once-in-a-lifetime endeavor to get with it internationally speaking? Federal governments support private industries if they create jobs for the people, so why shouldn't the CSA help the CPL if the latter creates jobs for Canadian soccer players? Today, the really successful national soccer associations even go as far as having national women's leagues within their jurisdictions, which given our current position, Canada is still light-years away from considering, but let's save the discussion of a women's CPL for another day.

Is the CSA viewing the CPL as just another source of taxable revenue, or is the CSA going to its utmost best to support a private venture aiming to create jobs for Canadian soccer players! Like who in their right mind would fire anyone from the CSA for choosing the latter?

I really can't answer these questions. I don't know.  I certainly don't speak for them. 

My recent defense of the CSA is based on my interactions with people there that are very positive and the fact they have helped us tremendously over the last few years.

I don't know how policy works, let alone what those policies might even be.

These are all questions that have answers, and can be asked.  

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

I think you can expect the timetable for qualifying to change. Just look at the Nations League calendar and you can see that we can't possibly start World Cup qualifying at a similar time as last time around. The World Cup being in November/December instead of June/July buys a few more months, but more importantly I expect there to be a new qualifying format in CONCACAF this time around, with no hex.

Of course none of this has anything to do with 2026 or the CPL, so we are firmly off topic.

Spot on. According to Wikipedia:

The qualification process for the 2022 World Cup has not yet been announced. All FIFA member associations, of which there are currently 211, are eligible to enter qualification. Qatar, as hosts, qualified automatically for the tournament. However, Qatar is obliged by the AFC to participate in the Asian qualifying stage as the first two rounds also act as qualification for the 2023 AFC Asian Cup. If they reach the final stage, their choice on whether to continue with World Cup qualifying is subject to FIFA approval. If the hosts choose not to compete, the next-ranked team will advance instead.[24] For the first time after the initial two tournaments of 1930 and 1934, the World Cup will be hosted by a country whose national team has never played a finals match before.[25] The reigning World Cup champions France will also go through qualifying stages as normal.[26]

The allocation of slots for each confederation was discussed by the FIFA Executive Committee on 30 May 2015 in Zürich after the FIFA Congress.[27] The committee decided that the same allocation as 2006 would be kept for the 2010, 2014, 2018 and 2022 tournaments:[28]

  • CAF (Africa): 5
  • AFC (Asia): 4.5 (not including host nation)
  • UEFA (Europe): 13
  • CONCACAF (North and Central America and Caribbean): 3.5
  • OFC (Oceania): 0.5
  • CONMEBOL (South America): 4.5

The qualifying draw is scheduled to take place in July 2019.[29]

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3 minutes ago, socceronly said:

I really can't answer these questions. I don't know.  I certainly don't speak for them. 

My recent defense of the CSA is based on my interactions with people there that are very positive and the fact they have helped us tremendously over the last few years.

I don't know how policy works, let alone what those policies might even be.

These are all questions that have answers, and can be asked.  

What specific questions would you want to ask?  

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3 minutes ago, socceronly said:

I really can't answer these questions. I don't know.  I certainly don't speak for them. 

My recent defense of the CSA is based on my interactions with people there that are very positive and the fact they have helped us tremendously over the last few years.

I don't know how policy works, let alone what those policies might even be.

These are all questions that have answers, and can be asked.  

I realize that you don't speak on behalf of the CSA. Just asking what your thoughts are on this matter.

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7 minutes ago, socceronly said:

What specific questions would you want to ask?  

I'll get back to you on that after my eye-specialist appointment.

In the meantime maybe check-out the home page of the KNVB website and the amount of attention that is given to Eredivisie clubs, especially the VAR feature titled ARAG KNVB VAR moment: rood voor St. Juste  (yes I realize it is a Dutch Cup match, but still).

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On 11/14/2018 at 7:57 AM, socceronly said:

What specific questions would you want to ask?  

For starters, is it too much to ask of the CSA to promote the CPL on its website? Like go check it out. Right now it's all about their U17 Women's team, which a grand total of 249 people spent money on to watch in Montevideo, against Colombia. Check out their news page and it's all about the CSA. With the CSA it's always all about the CSA. Hey, Canadian soccer revolves around the CSA.

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On 11/14/2018 at 8:02 AM, socceronly said:

Roberts new look

Image result for geordi laforge

Your posts like this one kinda remind me of Trump. Another thing you have in common is that neither of you like Robert.

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2 hours ago, Robert said:

For starters, is it too much to ask of the CSA to promote the CPL on its website? Like go check it out. Right now it's all about their U17 Women's team, which a grand total of 249 people spent money on to watch in Montevideo, against Colombia. Check out their news page and it's all about the CSA. With the CSA it's always all about the CSA. Hey, Canadian soccer revolves around the CSA.

i stand corrected. The attendance was actually 4% higher:than I stated above. It was actually 259, instead of 249. My apologies. This is a new FIFA World Cup record for the lowest attendance at World Cup final match, one that may never be broken.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/u-17-world-cup-takeaways-huitema-comes-canada/

Sparse crowds are disappointing

The most disheartening aspect of Wednesday’s contest came in the second half when they announced the attendance over the public-address system: 259.

Estadio Charrua looked like a ghost town as the players sweated it out before a sparse crowd, with vast swatches of the stadium remaining stone silent and completely desolate.

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https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/eng-08-1114-can-col-fulltime-pdf-3001314.pdf?cloudid=umk7gzxeewriq9y1ullz

Then again, according to FIFA, there's nothing wrong with my hearing. Our record is now official: 249

Is it possible that the CSA doesn't promote the CPL because it sees the CPL as a threat, because undoubtedly there will never be a CPL match that draws a smaller crowd then what the CSA's Women's U17 team drew at a World Cup final?

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On 11/14/2018 at 7:57 AM, socceronly said:

What specific questions would you want to ask?  

Based on the following:

About Canada Soccer
Canada Soccer, in partnership with its membership and its partners, provides leadership in the pursuit of excellence in soccer, both at the national and international levels. Canada Soccer not only strives to lead Canada to victory, but also encourages Canadians to a life-long passion for soccer. For more details on Canada Soccer, visit the official website at canadasoccer.com

Other questions I would ask the CSA are:

Does the CSA's leadership in the pursuit of excellence in soccer at the national level extend to the CPL?

How does the CSA encourage Canadians to a life-long passion for soccer with regard to professional soccer opportunities in Canada for Canadian soccer players?

It would be interesting, the next time you have "interactions with people there that are very positive," if you could ask my "specific questions" and report back to us what they have to say?

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8 hours ago, Robert said:

For starters, is it too much to ask of the CSA to promote the CPL on its website? Like go check it out. Right now it's all about their U17 Women's team, which a grand total of 249 people spent money on to watch in Montevideo, against Colombia. Check out their news page and it's all about the CSA. With the CSA it's always all about the CSA. Hey, Canadian soccer revolves around the CSA.

The CSA website is all about the CSA? No kidding. 

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17 minutes ago, RS said:

The CSA website is all about the CSA? No kidding. 

"Canada Soccer, in partnership with its membership and its partners."

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Robert said:

"Canada Soccer, in partnership with its membership and its partners."

 

 

Looking forward to more All-State content...

 

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Just stating the facts. Like how many went to the CSA website to get information about the USports Draft? I'm guesing less than 249.

Where were Mt. Vic and the rest of the CSA gang in 2014 when the 2000 Gold Cup winning National Team was inducted into the Canada Soccer Hall of Fame in Vaughan, Ontario? I know they weren't at the induction ceremony, because I was there.

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16 minutes ago, Robert said:

Just stating the facts. Like how many went to the CSA website to get information about the USports Draft? I'm guesing less than 249.

Why doesn't Hockey Canada's website have information about the Memorial Cup? Sack Hockey Canada!

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4 hours ago, RS said:

The CSA website is all about the CSA? No kidding. 

I think Robert has a fair point on this one. The CPL website has content about the national team. The MLS website also has content about the American and Canadian national teams. Cross promoting these things that can feed off of each other makes sense. It is incredibly important for the CPL to succeed so that the CSA can better realize their goals, so why wouldn't they put up some articles to draw a few more eyeballs to the CPL?

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16 minutes ago, Kent said:

I think Robert has a fair point on this one. The CPL website has content about the national team. The MLS website also has content about the American and Canadian national teams. Cross promoting these things that can feed off of each other makes sense. It is incredibly important for the CPL to succeed so that the CSA can better realize their goals, so why wouldn't they put up some articles to draw a few more eyeballs to the CPL?

I don't go on a lot of national federations' websites, but they don't mention at all other competition unless they run it. And to compare what MLSsoccer.com and canpl.ca  nwslsoccer.com write about national teams when they actually want to talk about it because a lot of it is because it has some of their players and they want to register the clicks. Now, we are more of what is the role of a national federation.. I used a comparative because we don't see anything mentioned on Hockey Canada. I do agree they could do more, but that more is about talking about what our players do in a weekly article from what they like post and retweet on social media. Still, I think the national body's job shouldn't be about getting clicks. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't want some click baity articles that we get on the other websites. 

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