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Full CONCACAF Club Index

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OK, here is my full CONCACAF Club Index table. This is a sorted list of all CCL/CL slot scores (including GUA2 which I haven't seen scores for yet, but I should have it correct). I will try to keep this original post updated as results happen (within reason) in CONCACAF League and CONCACAF Champions League, at least until CONCACAF puts up this kind of info on their website.

Slot Country 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18 2018-19 Club Index
MEX3 MEX 11 29 32 23 15 17   116
MEX1 MEX 16 22 11 33 27 12   105
MEX2 MEX 27 10 16 20 30 25   101
CAN1 CAN 10 10 23 8 22 21   84
USA3 USA 16 11 13 16 20 17   77
MEX4 MEX 35 29 9 18 10 9   75
USA4 USA 11 16 20 16 8 5   65
USA1 USA 20 17 11 14 11 11   64
PAN1 PAN 4 15 4 10 20 8   57
USA2 USA 22 13 9 13 14 7   56
CRC1 CRC 16 19 12 10 8 5   54
HON1 HON 9 11 15 10 11 5   52
CRC2 CRC 11 10 18 9 14 5 3 49
PAN2 PAN   7 8 10 8 13 8.5 47.5
GUA1 GUA   10 11 8 9 0   38
SCL1 SCL 0 0 0 0 0 5   5
SLV1 SLV 4 8 4 7 9 7   35
HON2 HON   4 8 11 11 2 3 35
SLV2 SLV   11 5 6 5 11.5 5 32.5
GUA2 GUA   10 8 8 6 0   32
CCC2 CCC   4 10 7 5 2 5 29
CRC4 CRC   0 0 0 0 22.5 5 27.5
NCA1 NCA   5 6 4 6 5 5.5 26.5
CCC1 CCC 5 5 4 8 5 4   26
PAN3 PAN   0 0 0 0 11 15 26
PAN4 PAN   0 0 0 0 8.5 16 24.5
CCC3 CCC   4 4 5 4 5 5.5 23.5
HON3 HON   0 0 0 0 2 21.5 23.5
CRC3 CRC   8 23 0 0 2 19.5 21.5
HON4 HON   0 0 0 0 20.5 0 20.5
BLZ1 BLZ   0 0 8 4 2 2 16
SLV3 SLV   0 0 0 0 8.5 6.5 15
NCA2 NCA   0 0 0 0 9.5 2 11.5
CCC4 CCC   0 0 0 0 2 5 7


Notes about the table:


1. The orange numbers are points gained in CONCACAF League. The black numbers were gained in CONCACAF Champions League.

2. The red numbers (for CRC3) are in there because I believe CRC3 earned those points, but for some reason CONCACAF isn't counting those points. I assume it's because CRC3 was only involved in those CCL campaigns because they were a wildcard team, filling in for Belize who didn't have a suitable stadium those years. The red points are NOT included in the total for now. I've reached out to CONCACAF on Facebook asking if this was a mistake on their part but I never got a response. This could potentially affect last year's numbers for CRC4, PAN4, and HON4 as well.

3. The orange lines show where Pot A and Pot B splits would happen in each of CCL and CL, presuming CCL and CL spots go strictly off of the Club Index rankings.

4. The green line shows the cut off for CCL spots (everything above the green line is theoretically in the CCL, if/when they use Club Index for determining spots).

5. The red line shows the cut off for CL spots (everything between the green and red lines are theoretically in the CL, if/when they use Club Index for determining spots).

6. I artificially inserted SCL1 (which is the CONCACAF League champions) into the last available CCL slot, since they obviously get qualification to the CCL.

7. Starting from the 2017-18 column and moving forward, CONCACAF League points are from the first year (Ex: 2017) and CCL points are from the second year (Ex: 2018). That's why you see only orange numbers for the CONCACAF League results thus far in the 2018-19 column.

8. The Club Index is the total of the last 5 numbers. So if the 2018-19 column is blank, that's not included in the last 5 numbers. The 2012-13 numbers are included in the table just for completeness, but they are no longer counted in the Club Index for any slots.

9. Legend: BLZ (Belize), CAN (Canada), CCC (Caribbean), CRC (Costa Rica), GUA (Guatemala), HON (Honduras), MEX (Mexico), NCA (Nicaragua), PAN (Panama), SCL (CONCACAF League champions), SLV (El Salvador), USA (United States) 

Observations:

If these numbers (as of August 17th, 2018) were used for 2018/2019 CCL/CL play (which is skewed against teams still in 2018 CL) CRC2 and PAN2 would be in CCL instead of CL. SLV1 and CCC1 would be in CL instead of CCL. CRC3 and CCC4 would be out, rather than HON4 and GUA2 (which aren't in it because the suspension was lifted too late to be involved in CL).

A tricky thing here is that you get cases where a "lower" slot (ex: CRC4) is actually ranked higher than a "higher" slot from the same country (ex: CRC3). Sporting Kansas City currently has qualified for USA3 for the 2019 CCL based on winning the US Open Cup last year. On Wikipedia it notes that SKC could still qualify as USA2 by winning MLS Cup this year but if they were given that spot they would end up in Pot B instead of Pot A.

Edited by Kent

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I've been thinking about rules for relegating slots out of the rotation, and for new slots to appear in the rotation. Here's what I've come up with in terms of potential rules for how they could do this using the club index. Whenever I mention countries I am counting all of the Caribbean as a country, and not considering the CONCACAF League champions as a country.

1. Each country has a minimum of 1 slot and a maximum of 4 slots in total (combined CCL and CL).

2. At the end of each year, the lowest ranked slot in the CONCACAF League gets bumped out of the competition.

3. A new slot is awarded to the nation who has fewer than 4 slots and has the highest average club index for it's existing slots.

4. New slots cannot be relegated out of CONCACAF League until they have had 5 consecutive seasons in continental competitions (to give them a meaningful Club Index).

5. Promotion/relegation between CCL and CL is strictly based on the Club Index, so there could be some years where there is no pro/rel, and there could be years where there are multiple slots promoted/relegated to/from CCL. The CONCACAF League champions slot never gets relegated from CCL.

Any thoughts? Suggestions for a better system? Here is the table for national averages, not including CRC3 and CCC4 since they are outside the top 32.

National averages
   
Country Number of slots Average
MEX 4 99.25
CAN 1 84
USA 4 65.5
CRC 3 43.5
GUA 2 35
PAN 4 34
HON 4 29.5
SLV 3 27.5
CCC 3 26.16666667
NCA 2 19
BLZ 1 16

When a country (Ex: Canada) gets a new slot because they have the highest average, their average will then drop because there will be a new slot (ex: CAN2) that doesn't have any Club Index data (or at least it would be low because it would have been a slot that was relegated and didn't play for at least a year). This helps give other countries a chance at getting an additional slot.

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I've updated the OP with this week's results. I will keep editing the OP with updated numbers as the matches happen, but I think I won't bother posting a comment letting people know until probably after the CONCACAF League campaign is over.

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Herediano (CRC3) won the CONCACAF League last night, which earns them a spot in the 2019 CONCACAF Champions League. I've updated the table in the original post with up to date numbers.

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I forgot about the national averages table. Here's the up to date version of that one.

Country Number of slots Average
MEX 4 99.25
CAN 1 84
USA 4 65.5
PAN 4 38.75
CRC 4 38
GUA 2 35
HON 4 32.75
SLV 3 27.5
NCA 1 26.5
CCC 3 26.16666667
BLZ 1 16

Panama leapfrogged Guatemala and Costa Rica, and Nicaragua surpassed the Caribbean.

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