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Should Christine Sinclair retire from the CWNT?

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Should Christine Sinclair retire from the Canadian Women's National Team? With John Herdman deciding to jump ship to the Men's National Team, and having reached the ripe old age of 34, does Sincy still have it in her to adjust to a new coach for one more kick at the World Cup, or should she make way now for the inevitable coming of the next generation? We may already have witnessed the end of an era. If so, thanks for everything Christine. You have been the brightest Canadian soccer star since I came to Canada in 1969.

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No. Christine Sinclair was a model of consistency in 2017 -- only held pointless in 4 of her 12 appearances for Canada.  She was the CANWNT's  second highest scorer in 2017 (  essentially one goal behind Beckie ) and the second highest Canadian scorer in the NWSL ( essentially one goal behind Leon ). Christine Sinclair's  recent form is still quite high for both club and country and consequently, does not merit retirement just yet.

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I agree with tc-in-bc.  Not only does she still contribute with her play, she's a great captain for the newcomers to follow.  She can retire when she's not good enough to make the team anymore, which is still in the future.

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14 hours ago, tc-in-bc said:

No. Christine Sinclair was a model of consistency in 2017 -- only held pointless in 4 of her 12 appearances for Canada.  She was the CANWNT's  second highest scorer in 2017 (  essentially one goal behind Beckie ) and the second highest Canadian scorer in the NWSL ( essentially one goal behind Leon ). Christine Sinclair's  recent form is still quite high for both club and country and consequently, does not merit retirement just yet.

Agreed.  And beyond the NWSL goal tally, Sinclair was pivotal in the Portland Thorns championship run.  A large number of their goals were either scored by Sinc, or first/second assisted by her. 

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Is like to see her stay and go for the record. Main points are: if she still contributes on/off the field and still feels the passion and fitness then go as long as you can. 

Think breaking the record is unlikely but not impossible. She is around 13-16 goals behind I thought. Could be way out to lunch though.  

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# Name Position National
team
Intl
goals
Caps Goals
per
match
Active
years
Date of 100th
goal
1 Abby Wambach Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 184 256 0.72 2001–2015 2009-07-20
2 Christine Sinclair Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada 169 253 0.66 2000– 2010-02-20
3 Mia Hamm Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 158 275 0.57 1987–2004 1998-09-18
4 Kristine Lilly Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 130 352 0.36 1987–2010 2004-10-03
5 Birgit Prinz Forward 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 128 214 0.59 1994–2011 2006-10-25
6 Julie Fleeting Forward 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland 116 120 0.97 1996–2011 2007-10-27
7 Patrizia Panico Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 110 204 0.54 1996– 2014-03-10
8 Elisabetta Vignotto Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 107 110 0.97 1970–1989 unknown
9 Sun Wen Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 106 152 0.69 1990–2006 unknown
10 Michelle Akers Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 105 153 0.68 1985–2000 1999-01-30
11 Carolina Morace Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 105 153 0.68 1978–1997 unknown
12 Han Duan Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 101 188 0.53 2000–2011 unknown
13 Portia Modise Forward 23px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png South Africa 101 124 0.81 2000–2015 2014-10-18
14 Marta Forward 22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil 105 106 0.99 2002– 2015-12-13
15 Tiffeny Milbrett Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 100 204 0.49 1991–2006 2005-7-10
Edited by Robert

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Hell No! :D  While I think everyone knows she's not the player she used to be, both because she's older and because the competition is just so much better, she's still one of the best in the world.  I don't know her at all but I suspect she's a lot more than goal scoring machine, she's also the captain, and a leader in the room.  There are a lot of very good prospects coming in to the team, Huitema just to name one, and having a presence and an institutional memory like Sinclair around is an incredible tool to mould the next generation.  I believe she will know when to hang the boots up but she has a lot of miles left in the tank, in my opinion.  When she's ready to go, she should go, but not a moment before.

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On 1/20/2018 at 1:29 PM, Robert said:
# Name Position National
team
Intl
goals
Caps Goals
per
match
Active
years
Date of 100th
goal
1 Abby Wambach Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 184 256 0.72 2001–2015 2009-07-20
2 Christine Sinclair Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada 169 253 0.66 2000– 2010-02-20
3 Mia Hamm Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 158 275 0.57 1987–2004 1998-09-18
4 Kristine Lilly Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 130 352 0.36 1987–2010 2004-10-03
5 Birgit Prinz Forward 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 128 214 0.59 1994–2011 2006-10-25
6 Julie Fleeting Forward 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland 116 120 0.97 1996–2011 2007-10-27
7 Patrizia Panico Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 110 204 0.54 1996– 2014-03-10
8 Elisabetta Vignotto Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 107 110 0.97 1970–1989 unknown
9 Sun Wen Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 106 152 0.69 1990–2006 unknown
10 Michelle Akers Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 105 153 0.68 1985–2000 1999-01-30
11 Carolina Morace Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 105 153 0.68 1978–1997 unknown
12 Han Duan Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 101 188 0.53 2000–2011 unknown
13 Portia Modise Forward 23px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png South Africa 101 124 0.81 2000–2015 2014-10-18
14 Marta Forward 22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil 105 106 0.99 2002– 2015-12-13
15 Tiffeny Milbrett Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 100 204 0.49 1991–2006 2005-7-10

UPDATE

 

# Name Position National
team
Intl
goals
Caps Goals
per
match
Active
years
Date of 100th
goal
1 Abby Wambach Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 184 256 0.72 2001–2015 2009-07-20[1]
2 Christine Sinclair Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada 177 268 0.66 2000– 2010-02-20[3]
3 Mia Hamm Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 158 275 0.57 1987–2004 1998-09-18[4]
4 Kristine Lilly Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 130 352 0.36 1987–2010 2004-10-03[5]
5 Birgit Prinz Forward 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 128 214 0.59 1994–2011 2006-10-25[6]
6 Julie Fleeting Forward 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland 116 120 0.97 1996–2011 2007-10-27[7]
7 Patrizia Panico Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 110 204 0.54 1996–2014 2014-03-10[8]
8 Marta4 Forward 22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil 110 120 0.97 2002– 2015-12-13[9]
9 Elisabetta Vignotto1 Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 107 110 0.97 1970–1989 unknown
10 Sun Wen Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 106 152 0.69 1990–2006 unknown
11 Carli Lloyd Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 105 262 0.40 2005– 2018-04-08[10]
12 Michelle Akers Forward/­Midfielder 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 105 153 0.68 1985–2000 1999-01-30[11]
13 Carolina Morace2 Forward 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy 105 153 0.68 1978–1997 unknown
14 Han Duan3 Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 101 188 0.53 2000–2011 unknown[12][13][14][15]
15 Portia Modise Forward 23px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png South Africa 101 124 0.81 2000–2015 2014-10-18[16]
16 Tiffeny Milbrett Forward 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 100 204 0.49 1991–2006 2005-7-10[17]

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Someone once did an analysis of Abby Wambach's goals and I noticed she only had 16 PK's, thought it would have been higher but guess she was down the pecking order in who takes for the US. Also that she only had three in extra or additional time and that she scored in half her games played and over 40% with her head:
https://www.ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/thanks-abby/151216-wambach-goal-facts

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In Guardian's countdown to top 100 woman players, Sinclair is ranked 16th. Buchanan is only other Canadian player on the list so far at 83.

Sinclair continues to defy the odds and it is no surprise that, even at 35, she continues to lurk around the top end of the rankings. Nine goals and six assists ensured she was at the heart of everything good the defending NWSL champions Portland Thorns did in 2018, even if it meant ending the year as runners-up on this occasion. Canada’s captain also had another highly influential year for her country, scoring eight goals as they qualified for the World Cup and Sinclair personally closed in on Abby Wambach’s all-time international record

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/dec/04/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2018

 

Edited by red card

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Perhaps a more significant record that Christine Sinclair is chasing, is the number of goals scored at World Cup Finals, as these are goals scored at the highest level of competition:

Players with at least 9 goals at the FIFA Women's World Cup tournaments
Rank Player Team Goals scored Matches played Goal average Tournaments
1 Marta 22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil 15 17 0.88 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015
2 Birgit Prinz 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 14 24 0.58 1995, 1999, 2003, 2007, (2011)
Abby Wambach 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 14 25 0.56 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015
4 Michelle Akers 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 12 13 0.92 1991, (1995), 1999
5 Sun Wen 23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_ China PR 11 20 0.55 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003
Bettina Wiegmann 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 11 22 0.50 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003
7 Ann Kristin Aarønes 21px-Flag_of_Norway.svg.png Norway 10 11 0.90 1995, 1999
Heidi Mohr 23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany 10 12 0.83 1991, 1995
9 Christine Sinclair 23px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada 9 17 0.53 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015
Linda Medalen 21px-Flag_of_Norway.svg.png Norway 9 17 0.53 1991, 1995, 1999
Hege Riise 21px-Flag_of_Norway.svg.png Norway 9 22 0.41 1991, 1995, 1999, (2003)
Edited by Robert

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1 hour ago, The Ref said:

Sinclair will continue to excel now that Herdman is gone.

 

It's one thing coaching the Women to bronze medal success in a 12-team Olympic tournament (twice), and quite something else trying to do the same thing in a 24-team World Cup Final. However, that Herdman mis-perception will become apparent even to the many who have been falsely perceived, once the Canadian men begin their upcoming World Cup qualifying campaign. Like you pointed out, Sinc's brilliance will continue to shine regardless of who's coaching. Sadly, most Canadians will not truly appreciate what Christine has done for Canadian soccer until after she retires, and the Canadian women start to get the same results they did prior to the Women's World Cup Final in 2003 (and the U-19 World Cup in 2002).

Edited by Robert

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Just to make it perfectly clear. It wasn't Herdman who made Christine look good. It was Christine who made Herdman look good!

And Christine will prove Herdman's jumping ship a big mistake on his part.

Here's to a favourable draw for Canada tomorrow!

Edited by Robert

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This has zilch to do with Herdman.  He went to a job that was the next challenge for him personally. Sinclair is still a decent contributor but this WC should be her swan song. 

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On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 11:53 AM, red card said:

In Guardian's countdown to top 100 woman players, Sinclair is ranked 16th. Buchanan is only other Canadian player on the list so far at 83.

Sinclair continues to defy the odds and it is no surprise that, even at 35, she continues to lurk around the top end of the rankings. Nine goals and six assists ensured she was at the heart of everything good the defending NWSL champions Portland Thorns did in 2018, even if it meant ending the year as runners-up on this occasion. Canada’s captain also had another highly influential year for her country, scoring eight goals as they qualified for the World Cup and Sinclair personally closed in on Abby Wambach’s all-time international record

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/dec/04/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2018

 

We're the fifth ranked team in the world and, according to this particular author and article, we only have two players in the top 100?  Interesting.

 

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1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

This has zilch to do with Herdman.  He went to a job that was the next challenge for him personally. Sinclair is still a decent contributor but this WC should be her swan song. 

Herdman's next challenge could very well prove to be his swan song as well, as his achievements with the CWNT will be difficult to replicate with the CMNT. With the exception of Bob Lenarduzzi, coaching the CMNT has been a graveyard for every coach who has had the honour to hold that position.

Edited by Robert

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1 hour ago, BearcatSA said:

We're the fifth ranked team in the world and, according to this particular author and article, we only have two players in the top 100?  Interesting.

 

It is a bit jarring but only Ashley Lawrence would have an argument to be on the list. Our sum of the parts has been better than our individual parts. Credit goes to Herdman.

And this isn't one author's view but the top 100 is based on votes by players, coaches and journalists from around the world - including two Canadian journos. 

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2 hours ago, BearcatSA said:

We're the fifth ranked team in the world and, according to this particular author and article, we only have two players in the top 100?  Interesting.

 

Maybe it is due to lack of media exposure for our players.

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Cathal Kelly of the Globe just put out a piece discussing the top 100 ranking and no discussion about Canada winning next year outside of Canada. He concludes 

The seventh-ranked Dutch had six players on the list. The sixth-ranked Australians had five.

If the Guardian’s judges are to be believed, Canada – working with one proper striker well into athletic middle age, the 10th-best defender in the world and a collection of backup staff ranking between 101 and infinity – has managed to regularly plant itself among the very best.

For this to be true, Canada must have the greatest coaching staff on the planet, in any sport. Life has handed them lemons and they’ve made Dom Perignon.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-the-canadian-womens-soccer-team-and-its-perpetual-holding-pattern/?cmpid=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

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