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  1. 1. Should the CanPL have Pro/Rel?

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  2. 2. Should the CanPL have playoffs?

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39 minutes ago, matty said:

guys i've said it before and i'll say it again, the political stuff (among other stuff) on these forums is gonna come back and bite this group in the ass with soccer finally going full on mainstream in canada. let the shit get buried and don't dig it up

Here here. Politics really doesn’t belong here. 

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Yes in general I this group swings to conclusion very quickly as snippets of information is released.  The roller coaster is frustrating some time.

With most non player movement changes I think it’s a good idea (and I’ve been guilty of course) of not jumping to conclusions because information tends to dribble out. 

24 hour rule is not a bad idea

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Well sure, people are jumping to conclusions.  But I think some of that is on the league.  They're incredibly vague about a lot of things at times.  Salary cap? "Seven figures! (if you include the coaches)".  Schedule? "Here you go! (for the opener...now check back in 7-10 days)"  Broadcaster? "It's Jaw-Dropping!" Great! Where can I watch and how much is it worth? "It's Jaw-Dropping!"

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2 hours ago, Watchmen said:

Well sure, people are jumping to conclusions.  But I think some of that is on the league.  They're incredibly vague about a lot of things at times.  Salary cap? "Seven figures! (if you include the coaches)".  Schedule? "Here you go! (for the opener...now check back in 7-10 days)"  Broadcaster? "It's Jaw-Dropping!" Great! Where can I watch and how much is it worth? "It's Jaw-Dropping!"

Are we going to be watching football in a professional Canadian league in the spring, for the first time in 30 years?

I get where you are coming from and I largely agree with you but this is the main point for me.

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12 minutes ago, dsqpr said:

Are we going to be watching football in a professional Canadian league in the spring, for the first time in 30 years?

I get where you are coming from and I largely agree with you but this is the main point for me.

Sure, I get that.  I understand the excitement, and that not everything is going to be perfect and it doesn't matter because markets that haven't had soccer in forever are suddenly going to again.  I just think that it's also ok to ask questions from the league, because given how soccer has been run in this country for so long "just trust us" isn't really an acceptable answer either.

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2 hours ago, Watchmen said:

.... Salary cap? "Seven figures! (if you include the coaches)". ...

Operating budget north of $1 million is how they muddied the waters on that one. Only just over two months until we are finally into the realm of reality rather than aspiration and some people should finally come down out of the stratosphere where CanPL is concerned. What will be interesting to watch unfold on the Mediapro deal to gauge the shape of things to come is how the initial set of three games are handled in broadcasting terms. Will it be the mainstream cable broadcasting spectacular of a filled THF contrasting with a less than capacity BMO Field for TFC vs the Timbers that many visualized on here when the Forge vs York 9 game was announced, or will they be using it as a way to push subscriptions for the webstream channel app that Mediapro is developing for them?

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20 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Operating budget north of $1 million is how they muddied the waters on that one. Only just over two months until we are finally into the realm of reality rather than aspiration and some people should finally come down out of the stratosphere where CanPL is concerned.

What I saw was an operating budget of $1.1m to $1.5m. Sorry but I can't remember the source. Of course player wages would be included in this, along with all other operating costs.

As a fan I have no problem with these numbers. It makes good sense to start conservatively in year one and see how the support shakes out, then push on from there.

If I am in the stratosphere it is because we are finally getting a professional league; it has nothing to do with the CPL finances.

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You would think the operating budget is somewhere in the range of $50m per year for all clubs together, given the $500m comments. Albeit likely weighted lower in the early years. My guess is $5m per club.

MediaPro is covering say 30-40% of this toward TV production. I assume there is some municipal investment on some of the stadium upgrades. It would be interesting to see what type of sponsorship money they'll be able to put together, but I would think another $200m over 10 years is possible. Paul Barber got $4m a year USD in 2011 from Bell for the shirt sponsor for the Caps as a reference point. I'd like to think you could see shirt-sponsors in the $1m-$2m range, plus general sponsorship to get you there.

It's pretty easy to start seeing this as a profitable enterprise if 70%+ of the costs are covered before gate revenue.

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6 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

You would think the operating budget is somewhere in the range of $50m per year for all clubs together, given the $500m comments. Albeit likely weighted lower in the early years. My guess is $5m per club.

MediaPro is covering say 30-40% of this toward TV production. I assume there is some municipal investment on some of the stadium upgrades. It would be interesting to see what type of sponsorship money they'll be able to put together, but I would think another $200m over 10 years is possible. Paul Barber got $4m a year USD in 2011 from Bell for the shirt sponsor for the Caps as a reference point. I'd like you could see shirt-sponsors in the $1m-$2m range, plus general sponsorship to get you there.

It's pretty easy to start seeing this as a profitable enterprise if 70%+ of the costs are covered before gate revenue.

The MediaPro has me worried that the league is going to be taking a massive hit on ad money. Essentially MediaPro appears to control have everything the would be related to broadcasting including ads which would hint CPL isn't making any cash off of deals MediaPro makes. If that's true, I don't think the league will be profitable for a few years if live numbers are only around 4.5-5k, even with kit deals and stadium ads.

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Just now, matty said:

The MediaPro has me worried that the league is going to be taking a massive hit on ad money. Essentially MediaPro appears to control have everything the would be related to broadcasting including ads which would hint CPL isn't making any cash off of deals MediaPro makes. If that's true, I don't think the league will be profitable for a few years if live numbers are only around 4.5-5k.

First, we don't know there isn't a revenue share. But, second, if not they still get a good product on TV that will legitimize the league and lead to other revenue streams. At very least, it's one massive cost they don't need to worry about.

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10 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

First, we don't know there isn't a revenue share. But, second, if not they still get a good product on TV that will legitimize the league and lead to other revenue streams. At very least, it's one massive cost they don't need to worry about.

The second point is true but there's no guarantee of that and it's limited to localized deals rather than larger sized ones. Like a deal with someone like Sky or ESPN or even TSN to broadcast might not be an option for the league at all while a deal with say Poweraid to have it on benches is. Production value also doesn't always = new revenue or profitable, like shit the OG XFL was groundbreaking with its production.

I think the trade was worth it but I do think it might see the league making less than it could have in a few years.

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56 minutes ago, matty said:

The MediaPro has me worried that the league is going to be taking a massive hit on ad money. Essentially MediaPro appears to control have everything the would be related to broadcasting including ads which would hint CPL isn't making any cash off of deals MediaPro makes. If that's true, I don't think the league will be profitable for a few years if live numbers are only around 4.5-5k, even with kit deals and stadium ads.

Are you serious? How is the CPL is getting nothing out of the deal?

FFS a few months ago we were discussing how the league might have to pay for broadcasts and and now somehow you imagine that a $200M deal is a bad thing?!!?

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2 hours ago, matty said:

The MediaPro has me worried that the league is going to be taking a massive hit on ad money. Essentially MediaPro appears to control have everything the would be related to broadcasting including ads which would hint CPL isn't making any cash off of deals MediaPro makes. If that's true, I don't think the league will be profitable for a few years if live numbers are only around 4.5-5k, even with kit deals and stadium ads.

huh? massive hit on ad money? in what sense?

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2 hours ago, ted said:

Are you serious? How is the CPL is getting nothing out of the deal?

FFS a few months ago we were discussing how the league might have to pay for broadcasts and and now somehow you imagine that a $200M deal is a bad thing?!!?

dude way to misunderstand what i meant. the deal so far is mediapro bought the rights for 10 years, that's very vague and at face value it would seem the rights are now theirs and out of cpl's control which may include any funds media pro get from the rights. details are not that clear.

i didn't say cpl are getting nothing, they're get more upfront that they likely would on their own but could see a dowm the road sitation were they miss out on some serious cash. it was a trade off that was likely worth it as i said.

if you weren't so knee jerk you would get that 

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37 minutes ago, mpg_29 said:

huh? massive hit on ad money? in what sense?

just on digital and tv ads IF those are fully controlled by mediapro and not cpl.

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3 hours ago, matty said:

dude way to misunderstand what i meant. the deal so far is mediapro bought the rights for 10 years, that's very vague and at face value it would seem the rights are now theirs and out of cpl's control which may include any funds media pro get from the rights. details are not that clear.

i didn't say cpl are getting nothing, they're get more upfront that they likely would on their own but could see a dowm the road sitation were they miss out on some serious cash. it was a trade off that was likely worth it as i said.

if you weren't so knee jerk you would get that 

LOL You are the one literally making shit up about the deal. Does it, in fact do any of the things you are talking about? Have you seen the deal?



 

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12 minutes ago, ted said:

LOL You are the one literally making shit up about the deal. Does it, in fact do any of the things you are talking about? Have you seen the deal?



 

no i said from what I've seen that's public it looks like media pro has a lot of control over media rights and i don't know how much. how is that making stuff up?

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2 hours ago, matty said:

just on digital and tv ads IF those are fully controlled by mediapro and not cpl.

Perhaps I don't understand the business but I would think that when you purchase broadcast rights, the way you make money is with advertising during the broadcast. So the ad slots would obviously be what MediaPro bought. And the more people watching, the more money they make, and the better it is for CPL and Canadian football. Win win, so far as I can see.

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6 minutes ago, dsqpr said:

Perhaps I don't understand the business but I would think that when you purchase broadcast rights, the way you make money is with advertising during the broadcast. So the ad slots would obviously be what MediaPro bought. And the more people watching, the more money they make, and the better it is for CPL and Canadian football. Win win, so far as I can see.

yea that's how it should go and there isn't anything overly bad about it. it might see the cpl miss out on cash down the rpad but up front it's a great move. the one thing i would ad is that it seems mediopro bought the media rights over just broadcast so the deal might allow media pro more control but still should be win win.

the in the red comment is because the cpl might be more dependant on ticket and merch sales under this deal 

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