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I doesn’t make sense for Canada to get less spots than Nicaragua, Guatemala etc. Now that we have a league, which I’d bet will immediately be better than the aforesaid countries’ leagues, we should definitely be given at least 2 CCL spots. I think that the VC obviously needs and deserves to have 1 CCL spot for the champion, and the CPL should have at a minimum 1 CCL spot. Perhaps also a Concacaf League spot for 2nd place. 

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1 minute ago, Ams1984 said:

I doesn’t make sense for Canada to get less spots than Nicaragua, Guatemala etc. Now that we have a league, which I’d bet will immediately be better than the aforesaid countries’ leagues, we should definitely be given at least 2 CCL spots. I think that the VC obviously needs and deserves to have 1 CCL spot for the champion, and the CPL should have at a minimum 1 CCL spot. Perhaps also a Concacaf League spot for 2nd place. 

We don't get fewer CCL spots than those nations atm. We have a direct spot in it, Guatemala has 1 (they're suspended), and Nicaragua lacks a direct spot. Only the USA and Mexico have multiple direct spots.

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On 2/9/2019 at 4:49 PM, Ansem said:

I never understood this belief of having to protect our CPL champions like they were made of glass or something. Leagues sending their champions isn't the exception, it's the norm except for the Caribbeans. I refuse to accept that our teams would do any worse than some of the CFU clubs who's been there so far.

Wouldn't players and coach learn much faster by being exposed to the highest level sooner rather than later so they can adjust and improve faster?

Our clubs are facing MLS level teams in the Canadian Championship as of this year, no? So if we are to compete against the "2nd best" league in CONCACAF, why can't we be thrown in there with other Central America and CFU clubs?

That logic makes no sense to me. The CSA is absolutely justified to request a CCL spot from the get go. If all we get is CL so be it. Hard not to think that the 2020 CCL format won't be changed to reflect the arrival of a new league.

Maybe you weren't responding to my comment, but I'd like to point out that my belief is that there should be a mechanism in place so that every nation can find their appropriate level. Maybe that means Canada ends up with 3 spots, the Carribbean with 1, El Salvador with 2, Costa Rica with 4, who knows. I want the results to decide. If it's just decreed from above that Canada is magically awarded another CCL spot, what is going to spur action to give us a 3rd spot? Or if we continually go out in the first round year after year, is someone going to wave a magic wand to move that extra spot down to the CL? The CONCACAF Club Index exists and it could be the perfect tool for determining how many teams each nation gets, and which competition those places go to. Wouldn't you just love to see one of the 4 American spots get relegated down to the CONCACAF League?

My idea isn't about protecting CPL teams, it's about taking away the protection of everyone.

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6 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Doesn't Concacaf have a working set of coefficients based on club competitions in the region, so we can really know who deserves to be getting byes, spots, etc? Or is it just decided by eye-balling relative league size and club power? Because it is true, if they had a coefficient system, that we'd be at least third over the last 5 years, even with one sole rep.

Yes, there is a coefficient system. Canada has the 2nd highest average coefficient of any country (behind Mexico). See below.

CONCACAF League (for 2019 season coming up in the fall)

Pot Rank Slot 2014–15
CCL
2015–16
CCL
2016–17
CCL
2017–18
CL+CCL
2018–19
CL+CCL
Total Team
Pot 1 1 CRC2 18 9 14 5 3 49 Costa Rica
2 PAN2 8 10 8 13 8.5 47.5 Panama
3 HON2 8 11 11 2 3 35 Honduras
4 SLV2 5 6 5 11.5 5 32.5 El Salvador
5 CCC2 10 7 5 2 5 29 23px-Flag_placeholder.svg.png
6 NCA1 6 4 6 5 5.5 26.5 Nicaragua
7 PAN3 0 0 0 11 15 26 Panama
8 HON3 0 0 0 2 21.5 23.5 Honduras
Pot 2 9 CCC3 4 5 4 5 5.5 23.5 23px-Flag_placeholder.svg.png
10 CRC3 0 0 0 2 20.5 22.5 Costa Rica
11 GUA2 8 8 6 0 0 20 Guatemala
12 BLZ1 0 8 4 2 2 16 Belize
13 SLV3 0 0 0 8.5 6.5 15 El Salvador
14 NCA2 0 0 0 9.5 2 11.5 Nicaragua
15 CCC4 0 0 0 2 5 7 23px-Flag_placeholder.svg.png
16 GUA3 0 0 0 0 0 0 Guatemala

CONCACAF Champions League (for 2019 season coming up in a week)

Pot Rank Slot 2013–14 2014–15 2015–16 2016–17 2018 Total Team
Pot 1 1 MEX3 29 32 23 15 17 116 Mexico Monterrey
2 MEX1 22 11 33 27 12 105 Mexico UANL
3 MEX2 10 16 20 30 25 101 Mexico Santos Laguna
4 CAN1 10 23 8 22 21 84 Canada Toronto FC
5 USA3 11 13 16 20 17 77 United States Houston Dynamo
6 MEX4 29 9 18 10 9 75 Mexico Toluca
7 USA4 16 20 16 8 5 65 United States New York Red Bulls[USA]
8 USA1 17 11 14 11 11 64 United States Atlanta United[USA]
Pot 2 9 PAN1 15 4 10 20 8 57 Panama Independiente
10 USA2 13 9 13 14 7 56 United States Sporting Kansas City
11 CRC1 19 12 10 8 5 54 Costa Rica Saprissa
12 HON1 11 15 10 11 5 52 Honduras Marathón
13 GUA1 10 11 8 9 0 38 Guatemala Guastatoya
14 SLV1 8 4 7 9 7 35 El Salvador Alianza
15 CCC1 5 4 8 5 4 26 Dominican Republic Atlético Pantoja
16 SCL1 0 0 0 0 5 5 Costa Rica Herediano

 

National averages
   
Country Number of slots Average
MEX 4 99.25
CAN 1 84
USA 4 65.5
CRC 4 38
PAN 4 38.75
HON 4 32.75
GUA 2 30
NCA 1 26.5
SLV 3 27.5
CCC 3 26.16666667
BLZ 1 16

And for the record, here is my thread that attempts to put it all into one big table.

 

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4 hours ago, Ansem said:

Let's just as one voice push for 2 CCL, one for each.

That is simply not going to happen because the other national federations will cry foul at best, scream bloody murder at worst. The only slots that Montigliani could give the CPL with a minimal loss of regional political capital would be in the lower Concacaf League, and even then probably only from the Fourth Place of the Caribbean Club Championship. That would actually make the 3rd place game in that competition mean something, similar to the discussion we're having about not giving both CCL slots to the Voyageurs Cup finalists. 

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As a compromise VC could get awarded 1.5 spots. Winner of the VC gets a direct route to the CCL and runner up has to play in a playoff against another nation hoping for a second spot. This would still make the final important to avoid the playoff and could still potentially lead to 2 Canadian teams in the CCL. Also would increase the importance of the VC for those thinking 1 spot for CPL Champions would diminish it. This increases the chance of a CPL team making it but doesn't guarantee it. Of course I would be perfectly fine with 1 for VC winner and 1 for CPL winner. I would be disappointed if we continue to have only 1 entry. Just sharing an idea I had.

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1 hour ago, Initial B said:

That is simply not going to happen because the other national federations will cry foul at best, scream bloody murder at worst. The only slots that Montigliani could give the CPL with a minimal loss of regional political capital would be in the lower Concacaf League, and even then probably only from the Fourth Place of the Caribbean Club Championship. That would actually make the 3rd place game in that competition mean something, similar to the discussion we're having about not giving both CCL slots to the Voyageurs Cup finalists. 

Or CONCACAF might just expand the tournament to please everyone. Isn't Montagliani up for re-election next year? Needs to Caribbean and Central American votes... Montagliani denying a 2nd berth to the CSA seems like a long shot anyways if he expands the tournament. So we might be arguing over nothing in the end

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Concacaf Announces Scotiabank Concacaf League Expansion

  • Canadian Premier League gets 1 spot as of July 2019 (Whoever has the most points by then?)
  • 22 clubs
  • 12 Clubs plays (home/away) on the 1st round. Winners joined the next 10 highest ranked teams in Round 2 for the Round of 16 (Knockout Stage)
  • The Winner of the CONCACAF League goes to 2020 Champions League
  • The remaining 15 clubs will be ranked from 1 to 15
  • Best next 5 also joins 2020 Champions League

 

CPL path to the 2020 Champions League

  1. A CPL club must make it to the round of 16 by winning in round 1.
  2. That club must advance to the quarter finals to be part of the final 8

A-If the CPL Club wins, they automatically advance to the 2020 CONCACAF Champions League

B-If they lose, they most rank as the top 2 of the losing teams from the quarter finals (tie breakers) to advance to 2020 CONCACAF Champions League

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.concacafleague.com/en/article/concacaf-announces-scotiabank-concacaf-league-expansion

The Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) today announced that the Scotiabank Concacaf League – the official club championship for Central American and Caribbean clubs – will expand from 16 to 22 teams to include five additional Central American clubs and one Canadian Premier League club for 2019 and beyond. The competition will additionally now serve as the qualifying tournament for Central America clubs to the Scotiabank Concacaf Champions League. 

“We are very excited to take a major step forward to enhance our expanded Concacaf Club Competition Platform,” said Concacaf General Secretary Philippe Moggio. “We are creating a larger Scotiabank Concacaf League that will increase the opportunities for our members in the Caribbean and Central America to play more relevant, competitive matches. With 22 teams participating, the window of access is wider, providing greater chances to qualify to the region’s premier tournament for clubs, the Scotiabank Concacaf Champions League.” 

The competition, which will continue to be played in a knockout format, will now kick off with a preliminary round in July. The 12 clubs set to participate in this initial round will be drawn into six home-and-away fixtures. The winners, to be determined on aggregate goals, will join the top nine ranked Central American clubs and the runner-up of the Caribbean Club Championship in the Round of 16.

In addition to qualifying its champion to the Scotiabank Concacaf Champions League, the tournament will qualify an additional five teams. At the end of the competition, clubs will we ranked 1-15, in accordance with the competition tie-breaking procedure. The top five ranked clubs will automatically qualify for the 2020 edition of the Scotiabank Concacaf Champions League.

For 2019, the Member Association slots have been allocated as follows (in alphabetical order by Member Association): 

Preliminary Round (12 clubs): Belize 1, Canada 2, Caribbean 3, Caribbean 4, Costa Rica 3, El Salvador 2, El Salvador 3, Guatemala 2, Guatemala 3, Honduras 3, Nicaragua 2 and Panama 3


Round of 16 (10 + 6 winners of the Preliminary Round): Caribbean 2, Costa Rica 1, Costa Rica 2, El Salvador 1, Guatemala 1, Honduras 1, Honduras 2, Nicaragua 1, Panama 1 and Panama 2.

The venue, date and time for the official draw that will sort the participating clubs for the preliminary round and round of 16 will be announced in the coming months.

Inaugurated in 2017, the Scotiabank Concacaf League has opened the door for a wider participation of Caribbean and Central American clubs, providing them an opportunity to play more relevant matches, at a higher level and the possibility of qualifying for the Confederations premier competition for clubs, the Scotiabank Concacaf Champions League.

 

Edited by Ansem

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14 minutes ago, BenFisk'sBiggestFan said:

This may be an indication that the CPL will have a split season... with the spring season winner joining the CL. Or I am just speculating.

makes sense. also on mobile, did they demote the vcup? i see canada with 2 in preliminary rounds

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30 minutes ago, matty said:

makes sense. also on mobile, did they demote the vcup? i see canada with 2 in preliminary rounds

The only changes are the five former Central American direct CCL qualifiers are being moved down to CONCACAF League and one CPL spot is being added to CONCACAF League.

 

CONCACAF League will be:

  • 18 Central American teams
  • 3 Caribbean Club Championship runners-up
  • 1 CPL

 

CONCACAF Champions League will be:

  • 4 Liga MX
  • 4 MLS
  • 1 Voyageurs Cup
  • 1 Caribbean Club Champion
  • 6 CONCACAF League qualifiers
Edited by Zem

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47 minutes ago, Blackdude said:

Not at all. I think if anybody got demoted, it's the Central American leagues. 

 

36 minutes ago, Zem said:

The only changes are the five former Central American direct CCL qualifiers are being moved down to CONCACAF League and one CPL spot is being added to CONCACAF League.

What a weird CONCACAF move

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With 6 CONCACAF League qualifiers to the CCL now I really want 2 CPL teams in the concacaf league.

We can let it slide this year since it’s year one, but looking at Canada’s coefficient if our CPL Rep is competitive there is zero reason that any nation besides the Mexico, USA and maybe Costa Rica deserve more spots between both competitions. 

Thats insane that with one rep for the past 10 years we are second in coefficient behind the nation that has won every year. Meanwhile you have Nicaragua with 2 entries to the concacaf league. 

Earlier I said I would be against both finalists of the voyageurs cup being CCL finalists.. and I still believe that.  But how about the loser going to the concacaf league?  That could be a sneaky backdoor way to ensure we have two teams in the proper competition and if it was a mls team that would certainly get more minutes for young Canadians.  I just feel like MLS would veto that real quick as they always need to be equal to Mexico, despite doing nothing to deserve it. On the other hand it could be an opportunity to have 6 MLS teams vs Mexico’s 4..

Edited by Keegan

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2 hours ago, matty said:

makes sense. also on mobile, did they demote the vcup? i see canada with 2 in preliminary rounds

Don't be confused by Canada 2, it means the 2nd qualifier out of Canada, look at the other countries with more than one rep. 

This sets us up for an amazing situation, where a mid-term leader qualifies for the Concacaf League knock-out round. What a great motivator to go strong out of the blocks.

If we are talking about early July, teams will have played around 8-9 games I figure. Because they'll have to establish a cut-off fixture,  with the uneven schedule. Or base it on the first 6, more balanced if everyone has played everyone (leaving home and away aside). 

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3 minutes ago, C2SKI said:

Is a 23 man roster really enough to compete in 3 competitions?

Considering that these competitions involve 2-match rounds rather than a fully slated 6-game minimum which could turn into 10-12 with the knock-out stages, I think 23 would be enough.

Edited by Senorpopps

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