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  1. 1. Should the CanPL have Pro/Rel?

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    • No
      130
  2. 2. Should the CanPL have playoffs?

    • Yes
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1 hour ago, 1996 said:

 

The MLS is the way it is mainly because of what happened to the old NASL when it folded in 1984 that I lived through when not only did I lose my team the Toronto Blizzard but a whole league too , and that’s why the MLS is set up the way it is , it’s as simple as that nothing more nothing less . Moreover , give me a bloody break there are plenty of bloody teams in the MLS that play possession type soccer TFC included but keep bashing if it makes you feel good life is too bloody short to feel miserable all the time.

The MLS was set up because of the failure NASL.  But it’s grown a lot in revenue and instead of raising the general talent and play they’ve created a system of getting aging stars to drive attendance.

 

The league quality is way better now than in 2007 of course.  Way better.  But the arcane rules and salary setup are seriously screwed up.  They should hit the reset button and simplify things.

With all that being said, a league pulling in those kinds of attendance and revenue figures is a success on all fronts.  

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7 hours ago, Macksam said:

MLS is soulless. With a few exceptions, there's no fire, no grit, generally the players look like their just going through the motions and that's it.

The playoffs this year tell me otherwise, it's been brilliant proactive and entertaining soccer for the most part.

And the level of the regular season was great too. Not sure what this opinion is based on

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8 minutes ago, saladroit said:

The playoffs this year tell me otherwise, it's been brilliant proactive and entertaining soccer for the most part.

And the level of the regular season was great too. Not sure what this opinion is based on

Observation.

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I think many Canadians especially on here and reddit.com overestimate the quality of MLS thinking it's some super league at a level that the CPL can't possible even touch. Let's face it, MLS is NOT a top league in the world, in fact it isn't even top 50 and CPL can definitely close the gap w/MLS before MLS even dreams about competing with Liga MX. There should be NO reason CPL can't be #2 in our region after Mexico.

And as to being soulless, how much excitement can you get watching a whole season of non-competitive intramural friendlies?

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4 hours ago, PhillyJawn-guy said:

I think many Canadians especially on here and reddit.com overestimate the quality of MLS thinking it's some super league at a level that the CPL can't possible even touch. Let's face it, MLS is NOT a top league in the world, in fact it isn't even top 50 and CPL can definitely close the gap w/MLS before MLS even dreams about competing with Liga MX. There should be NO reason CPL can't be #2 in our region after Mexico.

And as to being soulless, how much excitement can you get watching a whole season of non-competitive intramural friendlies?

When you talk like this you can't even really be taken seriously. 

MLS's quality is rising rapidly. It is easily a Top 20 league,  and it isn't hard to Google league rankings and find people who place ti Top 10. Obviously league ratings are arbitrary, but an aggregate across multiple sources is a little more valuable. Further, MLS has been consistently improving its CONCACAF Champion's League results, which is the best way in which to measure the league against Liga MX. This year TFC lost in a shootout after beating two top-tier Mexican teams. MLS is closer to Liga MX than ever before. 

You're entitled to dislike MLS. I really don't care. But CPL is going to have clubs with starting payrolls that are 1/5th of MLS' lowest paid team (Houston, $5,673,471) and 1/26th of the highest (TFC, $26,167,498). I'm not arguing that CPL shouldn't dream big, nor that CPL can't strive to catch up to MLS quickly. But with your posts around here you are doing nothing but projecting your feelings, and your feelings aren't in line with reality.

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Canada has a top 10 economy of the world and plenty of passionate sports fans. Besides hockey, what's preventing Canada from having a popular domestic soccer league? Canada could at least afford payrolls higher than Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, etc initially. And MLS's payroll figures are misleading since a lot of it is distorted toward DP's and a few TAM's. I can't see why the squad players for CPL teams can't be the same or better than MLS ones. And quality of a team depends more on your weakest link(s) than having a few superstars.

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1 hour ago, PhillyJawn-guy said:

Besides hockey, what's preventing Canada from having a popular domestic soccer league? Canada could at least afford payrolls higher than Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, etc initially. 

Travel. Flights and hotel costs are going to eat away at a large part of the budget which under other circumstances could go to the players

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2 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

Travel. Flights and hotel costs are going to eat away at a large part of the budget which under other circumstances could go to the players

Travel for potential CPL locations can't be as much as the US, right? Unless you're putting teams in the territories most of the places are within 100 miles of the US border. Unless you know something I don't CPL won't have clubs in Nunavut.

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1 hour ago, PhillyJawn-guy said:

Travel for potential CPL locations can't be as much as the US, right? Unless you're putting teams in the territories most of the places are within 100 miles of the US border. Unless you know something I don't CPL won't have clubs in Nunavut.

I was quoting you for a comparison with Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama. I never said anything about the US

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13 hours ago, saladroit said:

The playoffs this year tell me otherwise, it's been brilliant proactive and entertaining soccer for the most part.

And the level of the regular season was great too. Not sure what this opinion is based on

@Macksam is right about MLS. And it's MLS' fault for creating an environment where going through the motions is all that's required. Of course there are clubs that go above and beyond and maintain a high level throughout the season, but then you have "Don't worry if you finish dead last San Jose, no pressure at all. You wont be relegated and can try again next year. You will probably earn yourself the rights to the most talented NCAA player in the country, your players will have nothing to worry about in terms of dropping a level or being sold, and you will probably be rewarded with an even higher budget next year. Just make sure you show up and go through those motions so we can get these ticket sales in."

If you're at a temporary job and the manager walks in and says 19 of the 22 temps will be kept full time I guarantee you have people busting their ass, doing their best work to make sure they're 1 of those 19. If the manager walked in and said all 22 will be hired full time, I guaratee work rate doesn't improve, and you have people simply going through the motions because they have that security blanket. Similar to what we see in MLS and other North American leagues.

I praise MLS for giving Canada a platform to grow the game here, but I absolutely hate how they run their league like it's the NBA, or NHL where mediocre performances are rewarded and ticket sales come before sport.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, PhillyJawn-guy said:

Canada has a top 10 economy of the world and plenty of passionate sports fans. Besides hockey, what's preventing Canada from having a popular domestic soccer league? Canada could at least afford payrolls higher than Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, etc initially. And MLS's payroll figures are misleading since a lot of it is distorted toward DP's and a few TAM's. I can't see why the squad players for CPL teams can't be the same or better than MLS ones. And quality of a team depends more on your weakest link(s) than having a few superstars.

Nothing at all, but it isn't going to happen day one. 

The budget for CPL has all but been set. It's approximately $1M. So yeah, overtime we will likely pass countries with less successful economies. As we should, and should have years ago. 

As for your points about MLS squads, you're projecting your feelings again. Sure, huge amounts of TFC's salary figure are dedicated to a few players. Doesn't matter. If the CPL $1M figure is to be believed, than a 23-man squad will make an average of $43,478. There isn't a player on TFC that makes that. The lowest paid players don't make that. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/552202/player-expenses-of-toronto-fc/

Even if CPL doubles its salary to $2M (who knows how far out that is) the average player will fall somewhere between Jordan Hamilton and Ben Spencer. 

So I mean, I get it. You hate MLS. I think that CPL should strive to compete with them. But given that your initial statement was "CPL can definitely close the gap w/MLS before MLS even dreams about competing with Liga MX" I'm gonna call BS because top MLS teams are ALREADY competing with Liga MX, and CPL doesn't exist yet and is no where near competing with MLS based on salary figures. 

And just so I don't get accused of using the highest paid MLS team as a comparable, here is the lowest paid team's salaries. Once again, if CPL doubled their salaries we could buy the bottom 7 TFC players and the bottom 8 Houston players. None of which are starters (to my knowledge, I don't watch tons of Houston).

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/05/10/houston-dynamo-player-salaries-2018/
 

There is no rational argument to be made that "I can't see why the squad players for CPL teams can't be the same or better than MLS ones". I can. Starting salary cap. 

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Just got my FC Edmonton season tickets very very affordable,$440 dollars for 2 season tickets which includes 14 regular season games and 1 Voyageurs cup match! I honestly can’t complain, also when I was speaking with the rep, he mentioned they were 95% sure the league would be to either 10 or 12 teams the following season without Ottawa in the equation so that’s awesome!

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So while everyone’s dissecting the small details of CanPL, let’s just stop for a second and think back to this time four years ago. I don’t think at that time it was reasonable to think a pro soccer league was in the near future in Canada. 

And now it’s 5 months away. 

Seriously ... holy crap. 😱

 

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4 hours ago, Ansem said:

 

Victoria to Halifax by flight is: 4,476 KM, 3rd longest in World domestic Football leagues! If you were to add Victoria to St John’s you would get 5,064 KM, 2nd to Perth to Wellington in then A-League! 

Canada has something unique here, both a challenge we must embrace and find solutions to 

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It will be interesting to see with both the CPL and Canadian Elite Basketball League in 2019 , how it will go especially in markets like Edmonton and Hamilton that will have teams in both. As we know once you get past the footy diehards you have to rope in the casual ticket buyer you will simply looking for an entertaining time out and these two league will be competing , especially on the sponsorship level. 

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1 hour ago, Cblake said:

It will be interesting to see with both the CPL and Canadian Elite Basketball League in 2019 , how it will go especially in markets like Edmonton and Hamilton that will have teams in both. As we know once you get past the footy diehards you have to rope in the casual ticket buyer you will simply looking for an entertaining time out and these two league will be competing , especially on the sponsorship level. 

Not sure about the other cities but I know in Saskatoon they will be looking to engage the Rush Lacrosse crowd. They have similar format in turning the games into a club style atmosphere with a DJ courtside. I understand the season in terms of trying to overlap with the lacrosse and stay out of the way of Hockey and Football but for me at least it seems stupid to have basketball inside in the hottest months of the year. Regardless of liking either sport, I'd much rather be outside watching something than inside. I think soccer will appeal more to the football crowd. Who knows. 

 

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On 11/21/2018 at 9:02 PM, Daryn27 said:

Just got my FC Edmonton season tickets very very affordable,$440 dollars for 2 season tickets which includes 14 regular season games and 1 Voyageurs cup match! I honestly can’t complain, also when I was speaking with the rep, he mentioned they were 95% sure the league would be to either 10 or 12 teams the following season without Ottawa in the equation so that’s awesome!

That’s great to hear, Happy that in 2020 - Season 2 there will be Ten to Twelve Teams, that’s awesome! Although no Ottawa? Are they not in the Equation at all? I thought I read somewhere they’re in the potential expansion sides 

Obviously since they’re already established all they gotta do is join and cross over leagues as they tick all the boxes (Ownership, Stadium, Market etc) 

Can you explain a little more on that? Thanks 

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16 hours ago, Ansem said:

1st CPL game EVER to be in Hamilton against York 9?

 

 

I think I might get that and come with my York gear. Road trip time fellow Y9 bros! 

We must take over their stadium.

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10 hours ago, Thomas said:

Obviously since they’re already established all they gotta do is join and cross over leagues as they tick all the boxes (Ownership, Stadium, Market etc) 

 

And pay the six figure expansion fee...

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19 hours ago, Ansem said:

1st CPL game EVER to be in Hamilton against York 9?

 

 

The inaugural game... :o

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I don't think they're trying to say Hamilton vs York will be the first CPL game. They're two different questions. "Want to watch the Ontario Derby (whenever it might be)?" "Want to be at the (as in our) first ever game (whenever it might be)?"

These tickets are vouchers *for* tickets. FC Edmonton used to sell tickets like this around Christmas time. You can redeem them for tickets to any match you want.

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On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 11:02 PM, Daryn27 said:

Just got my FC Edmonton season tickets very very affordable,$440 dollars for 2 season tickets which includes 14 regular season games and 1 Voyageurs cup match! I honestly can’t complain, also when I was speaking with the rep, he mentioned they were 95% sure the league would be to either 10 or 12 teams the following season without Ottawa in the equation so that’s awesome!

 

12 hours ago, Thomas said:

That’s great to hear, Happy that in 2020 - Season 2 there will be Ten to Twelve Teams, that’s awesome! 

A rep's job is to sell tickets and hype up their team/league.  Not sure how can be take as a reliable source.

All the talk was of 8-10 teams for kickoff and Ottawa being a sure thing.  This league has done some things really well but has already had a tough time following through on some of its initial promises (# of teams, salary cap, etc.).  Even if the league hinted at 10 to 12 teams for 2020 I'd find it hard to take their word without some skepticism.

On the other hand 7 teams launching in five months is still something I'm really excited about and as player signings start to roll in we will see where the real level of quality lies (probably somewhere about halfway in between the  most wildy optimistic and most wildly pessimistic posters on this site I would guess).

If we get to 2020 with 7 solid franchises and a strong 8th location with good ownership in place for expansion that would be a very successful first season.  3 expansion teams in 2020 would be massive, but from what we've seen so far a more likely proposition is probably 10 in 2021 or 2022 and 12 sometime between 2023 and 2026.

To me making sure new teams have solid ownership groups and good stadium situations is far more important than number of teams in the league.  A rock-solid 8 team league > a 12 team league with 4 shaky franchises IMO.  And a terribly ownership group can scar a good soccer city for many years.

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