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10 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said:

It has been a regular answer from many MLS parties when asked, whether that be Garber, Lenarduzzi, Leiweke, etc. 

I would rather not wade into the ‘does MLS do enough for Canadian player development’ debate. There are good points on both sides and they’ve been beaten to death. But I have trouble subscribing to the notion that MLS is an American League and we shouldn’t expect them to purposefully do anything for Canadian player development, when they explicitly state that it is a goal of theirs. 

https://www.wakingthered.com/2015/12/6/9855210/garber-talks-canadian-expansion-player-rules-and-the-state-of-mls-in-canada

Fair enough Rob, I do know that I hold the minority view on here. However, I take your point: if they have said they will do it then I agree they should follow through: the obvious problem being that, unless there are rules that are verifiable, such as number of Canadians in the matchday squad, they can claim they are doing it whilst others claim they are not. And who is to say where the truth lies? The conclusion being that their "mandate" to develop Canadian talent is virtually worthless unless it is quantifiable.

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Plenty of young Canadians 21 and under have played and played this past season in the USL for TFC 2 , on most nights TFC2 played an almost entire squad of Canadian s in a league that might still be a level above the new CPL , so it’s not like TFC has not been spending money to develop Canadian players, moreover this past season TFC played a number of Canadians on their MLS team in many games. If a Canadian player is good enough he will get playing time in the MLS for TFC if not he will play in the USL for TFC 2 . Let’s also keep in mind that some players are just not good enough no matter how much playing time they get be it in MLS, USL or the new CPL .

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17 minutes ago, socceronly said:

Have the rules for "parity" Canadians down south come into effect yet?

Have been for a while.

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4 minutes ago, socceronly said:

Anyone jumped on that train yet that wouldn't be playing otherwise?

Off the top of my head: Adonijah Reid, Kwame Awuah and Quillan Roberts are all considered domestics on U.S. MLS teams. Only Awuah got any playing time this season.

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1 hour ago, 1996 said:

Plenty of young Canadians 21 and under have played and played this past season in the USL for TFC 2 , on most nights TFC2 played an almost entire squad of Canadian s in a league that might still be a level above the new CPL , so it’s not like TFC has not been spending money to develop Canadian players, moreover this past season TFC played a number of Canadians on their MLS team in many games.

The point is that it's not good enough and they can't do it on their own. 

1 hour ago, 1996 said:

If a Canadian player is good enough he will get playing time in the MLS for TFC if not he will play in the USL for TFC 2 . Let’s also keep in mind that some players are just not good enough no matter how much playing time they get be it in MLS, USL or the new CPL .

The other CONCACAF nations have domestic leagues for those who can't make MLS, we don't and that is a massive handicap that goes beyond than "well our guys aren't good enough to make MLS" and "TFC does their best". 

Most Central American D1 leagues (if not all of them) are better than USL with far less resources than USL. I have no doubt CPL will be a better league and a step up for our players, that's all that matters right now. The roster rules so far provides the environment needed to get more players to integrate our pool by providing them the opportunity. 

Panama, Honduras, Costa Rica have lesser leagues than MLS, yet they surpassed the US in the last WCQ, even T&T B team beat them soundly. I don't care about CPL not being a better league than MLS... just like the French don't care that Ligue 1 isn't better than La Liga and EPL, they care that their NT can slap both England and Spain whenever they're please. Just give me a good league with good football that allows our guys to get to the next level and we'll collectively be happy for it. 

That's the end game, that's what matters. MLS, USL... nice to have... They provide help from time to time, good...thank you..we'll take it. But I've moved on from relying on that system. 

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11 hours ago, Ansem said:

Most Central American D1 leagues (if not all of them) are better than USL with far less resources than USL.

You base this on what? I honestly don't think the Panamanian or Guatemalan leagues are better than USL...

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On 11/7/2018 at 2:14 PM, Ansem said:

Lol I added other locations but the MAJOR mistake that Saputo did was to not build his stadium Downtown Montreal. He's too far east.

I think the Impact had the same problem in 2010 that a new CPL owner would have in Montréal. To build the stadium more centrally, you need A LOT of money. Montréal isnt Halifax (no offense). Available downtown lots (especially now since the recent construction boom) are at a premium. Since minor league teams (i know Can PL isnt quite minor league, but it has a similar ambition to 2000s NASL) dont have unlimited funds, risks of overspending are quite real and easily met when trying to find a downtown lot. 

For instance. The land needed to build the stadium in Pointe-St-Charles (where the new Expos want to build their stadium) is already under the radar of condo developpers who've created a whole new neighbourhood south of DT in Griffintown. A brand new metro line will be passing right next to that site. We're talking about land that is worth tens of millions. No way a Bunburry led ownership group would have the funds necessary to purchase such land. 

There is other problems with some of the sites suggested as well. The Ile-Ste-Hélène/Notre-Dame archipelago has recently seen a major re-configuration to allow for big events (Osheaga, etc) with thousands of trees having to be cut down. The new mayor would never accept to cut down more to allow for a new stadium to be built there. She is very "pro-ecology" and wanted to cancel the current re-configuration and has a public consultation undergoing currently on the future of the site. 

I think like the Impact did before building their own stadium (the Impact were at Centre Claude Robiilard before Saputo). They should consider leasing an already existing stadium like Cepsum or Percival Molson Stadium. If not, the land cost needed for the team to be viable would be located outside of the Montréal Island. In Laval or Longueuil for instance.  

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On 11/7/2018 at 1:47 PM, Ansem said:

 

“I’m working on bringing a team to Montreal. That’s how much I believe in this league,” Bunbury reiterated.

“I’m willing to do whatever I need to do to bring a (CPL) club to a city that gave me so much.”

They’re encouraging aspirations from the face of an event that unfolded as it did due to the outpouring of support from players chasing their dreams.

“I hope the staff and people working behind the scenes saw I want this to happen and I want this to work,” Bunbury said.

“I thought about the importance of being involved in a league that we need for Canadians. It has been nothing but spectacular.”

He had also said he wanted to bring a team to Montreal, Laval or Quebec, when he was at the Montreal GotGame trials, video interview here:

https://twitter.com/ItsSoccerHere/status/1052286616398647296

Personally I think the Cepsum makes the most sense in the size and availability of the venue and the emplacement; close to a metro station, on a big university campus in a very multicultural area.

Edited by Shakmur

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Laval 2020

  •  A team could start as soon as 2020

Direct translated quote:  "We are talking to investors. We will be able to assess the situation in January but it is certain that we will not be ready for the 2019 season. Many things are to be done and I do not want a rush. We have started discussions with the leaders of the CPL. The Laval complex would be a great place to play, it's pretty central and easy to get to. It will be necessary to speak with the FSQ."

Laval (also Jesus Island) has a population of approximately 440K, located north of Montreal Island. It is connected to Montreal with the commuter train line and the Montreal Metro.

The Northern suburbs also called "Couronne Nord" accounts for over 550K people, meaning that Laval has a potential market of over 1M people and could draw directly from Montreal Island's northern boroughs.
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Complexe de Laval

Tons of land for a Modular stadium + Indoor field for training

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Location

It's close to the intersections of Highway 440 (Laval East - West) & Highway 19 (Montreal - Northern Laval)

It's a bus ride from Metro De La Concorde on the Orange line.

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33 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said:

@Ansem I'm not too sure about your map shown above. Complexe Multi-Sport De Laval is not where the location indicator is on your map. It is about 40 minutes walk NE of Montmorency Metro Station.

Thanks @Blackdude mentioned it too. I'll edit my post later tonight

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 7:19 PM, Rheo said:

Howdy all. Sticking my head out to say that there’s a Windsor supporter group started. Early days but we’ve got to start somewhere. On twitter if anyone wants to keep up its https://twitter.com/windsorcanpl

Just out of curiosity, would Windsor have the finances to cover coast to coast travel costs of a national league.  Or would Windsor be better off in the regional CPL Tier II (newly acquired L1O).

Just wondering.

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44 minutes ago, Impactsupporter said:

Just out of curiosity, would Windsor have the finances to cover coast to coast travel costs of a national league.  Or would Windsor be better off in the regional CPL Tier II (newly acquired L1O).

Just wondering.

Depends on who the owners would be, same with any other professional team. Doesn’t hurt to try and get the groundwork set up in case someone is interested 

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16 hours ago, Impactsupporter said:

Just out of curiosity, would Windsor have the finances to cover coast to coast travel costs of a national league.  Or would Windsor be better off in the regional CPL Tier II (newly acquired L1O).

Just wondering.

To add to what others have pointed out, Windsor already has a team in L1O. It sounded from your question like your aren’t aware of that.

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If I were Clanachan/Beirne, how i’d like CPL Expansion  go:

2020

Team 8: Ottawa Fury 

Team 9: Saskatoon 

Team 10: Quebec City

2021 

Team 11: Moncton

Team 12: St John’s 

2022

Team 13: Laval  

Team 14: Tri-Cities  

2023 and beyond 

Team 15: Regina

Team 16: Surrey (Lower Mainland)

That completes the 16 Team 1st Tier League 

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Fell Short: Kewlona, Sherbrooke, PEI, Mississauga 

After 2026: Start a 2nd Division and Look into Pro/Rel :) 

 

Edited by Thomas

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3 hours ago, Thomas said:

If I were Clanachan/Beirne, how i’d like CPL Expansion  go:

2020

Team 8: Ottawa Fury 

Team 9: Saskatoon 

Team 10: Quebec City

2021 

Team 11: Moncton

Team 12: St John’s 

2022

Team 13: Laval  

Team 14: Tri-Cities  

2023 and beyond 

Team 15: Regina

Team 16: Surrey (Lower Mainland)

That completes the 16 Team 1st Tier League 

____________________________

Fell Short: Kewlona, Sherbrooke, PEI, Mississauga 

After 2026: Start a 2nd Division and Look into Pro/Rel :) 

 

Tri-Cities = ?  

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13 hours ago, PhillyJawn-guy said:

Could Bunbury just partner with Saputo and get Impact into CPL since there are no Quebec teams yet? I mean Impact did exist before MLS so they can still pull out.

I would love all three Canadian MLS teams to join, but that's just a dream.  They've all thrown so much money into their expansion fees for MLS, and they won't throw away whatever they make from being in MLS to join the Premier League.  Mind you, if Impact did jump to the Premier League, I'd rather see Bunbury's team in Laval also.  The more, the merrier.

Edited by SuperCanuck

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