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http://valourfc.canpl.ca/article/checking-in-with-the-commissioner-from-open-trials

...Obviously, you’ve got to go through the vetting and everything else, but it’s great to see the outpouring. In Montreal, we have five different groups that are after us to get a team in that marketplace, whether it be Quebec City or Montreal or Sherbrooke. There’s a tremendous amount of work to be done, but as we do this across the country it becomes more real. It’s one thing to be out talking about identities for clubs and be in the markets and announce the league, but when you’re actually out doing something and creating rosters then it becomes tangible...

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“I’m working on bringing a team to Montreal. That’s how much I believe in this league,” Bunbury reiterated.

“I’m willing to do whatever I need to do to bring a (CPL) club to a city that gave me so much.”

They’re encouraging aspirations from the face of an event that unfolded as it did due to the outpouring of support from players chasing their dreams.

“I hope the staff and people working behind the scenes saw I want this to happen and I want this to work,” Bunbury said.

“I thought about the importance of being involved in a league that we need for Canadians. It has been nothing but spectacular.”

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My top 4 choices for Stadiums in Montreal

  • Downtown Montreal (Modular Stadium)

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Those working to bring back the Montreal Expos have identified the Bassin Peel as a preferred location. New transit would be built in the area.

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The city is looking to redevelop the area and it was a previous target for Cirque du Soleil:

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  • Ile Sainte-Helene or Ile Notre-Dame (Modular Stadium)

For Torontonians, imagine Toronto Islands with a subway station, Formula 1 track, Canada Wonderland, High Park and a Casino all in the same location. The Yellow Metro Line going there right between Downtown Montreal and Longueuil - South Shore, this location would be massively popular.

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The Islands are already used for events:

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  • Université de Montreal (CEPSUM Stadium, Upgrade + expansion)

Located on the grounds of Université de Montreal on top of the Blue Metro line, it is located near some of Montreal most ethnically diverse and dense population

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  • Stade Percival Molson - McGill University (Existing CFL Stadium)

On the mountain side, it would be a similar situation as Forge and Valour. The least accessible in my opinion but there's no denying that view. I think shuttle buses runs from McGill Station on the Green Line

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1 minute ago, Ansem said:

My top 3 choices for Stadiums in Montreal

 

  • Downtown Montreal (Modular Stadium)

 

That's a mighty long list. I guess it's pretty obvious where you need it to be. I can't say I disagree!

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16 minutes ago, Rintaran said:

That's a mighty long list. I guess it's pretty obvious where you need it to be. I can't say I disagree!

Lol I added other locations but the MAJOR mistake that Saputo did was to not build his stadium Downtown Montreal. He's too far east.

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Or maybe Seaway Park near Metro Longueuil (near CEGEP Champlain) About a 15 minute walk from the Metro.  Could add seats all around.    

FWIW I never even thought about Ile Ste-Helene.   If you put it close to Metro jean Drapeau, has potential.

 

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4 hours ago, Impactsupporter said:

Or maybe Seaway Park near Metro Longueuil (near CEGEP Champlain) About a 15 minute walk from the Metro.  Could add seats all around.  

I don't think Seaway Park would be realistic. I used to live in St-Lambert and there's absolutely no way the municipal government agrees to anything that involves people and noise. 

They really place a huge emphasis on having beautiful parks and keeping the city calm and quiet.

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Laval or Brossard is the way to go, because if you put a team in MTL proper and call it Montreal _______ (whatever) then people will be confused and the Impact will not be happy not that it matters but if they what York do then they can be more successful I think

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9 hours ago, Thomas said:

Laval or Brossard is the way to go, because if you put a team in MTL proper and call it Montreal _______ (whatever) then people will be confused and the Impact will not be happy not that it matters but if they what York do then they can be more successful I think

York 9 going from a hot mess to an example franchise in one month on this board :)

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10 hours ago, Thomas said:

Laval or Brossard is the way to go, because if you put a team in MTL proper and call it Montreal _______ (whatever) then people will be confused and the Impact will not be happy not that it matters but if they what York do then they can be more successful I think

Got to give people more credit than that 🙂

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10 hours ago, Thomas said:

Laval or Brossard is the way to go, because if you put a team in MTL proper and call it Montreal _______ (whatever) then people will be confused and the Impact will not be happy not that it matters but if they what York do then they can be more successful I think

Which might in part be some of the impetus behind not using the city names in team names. 

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What information do we have to believe that a CPL would be successful in Montreal? I find it hard to believe that a resident would be interested in a completely new CPL team when they have the Impact there, but I'm not overly familiar with the soccer in community in Montreal so I'm open to having my mind changed.

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1 hour ago, El Diego said:

What information do we have to believe that a CPL would be successful in Montreal? I find it hard to believe that a resident would be interested in a completely new CPL team when they have the Impact there, but I'm not overly familiar with the soccer in community in Montreal so I'm open to having my mind changed.

The Montreal Metro area has over 4M people. Many on twitter including journalists said that a team in Laval would hurt Montreal Impact. My rebuttal to that is :

  • If Montreal Impact can't fill their stadiums without Laval and Longueuil, they seriously need to review their marketing.

 

  1. They favour an American keeper over a local. Sure Bush put better numbers but I remember when he was mediocre... who had the tighter leash? Crepeau or Bush? Crepeau was never given the same amount of opportunities and chances after a bad game that Bush had. Journalists noted that too, no wonder he wants out. Is Bush remotely on the USMNT radar??? Nope but somehow, he's leagues above Crepeau...ummm no.
  2. excuse my language but... F***, they even kept CAPTAIN FREAKIN BERNIER on a short leash... They never made him the central focus of their marketing preferring foreigners that came and moved on. Saputo used to defend Klopas benching Bernier  over others that ended up not being impactful.
  3. Never capitalized on Anthony Jackson Hamel when he was hotter than Mancosu. A Quebec City kid, francophone...but nothing...
  4. Benched Tabla most of the time but gave plenty of opportunities to Americans and foreigners. Hell, the league was praising Tabla's potential and in Montreal...nothing.

This sense of entitlement got them where they are. They act like they are the "Habs" but are far from it. They don't get the audience, hence can't draw WAY MORE than they should. They deserve where they are.

Talented Francophones and most Canadians on other Canadian clubs are usually kept on a very tight leash, even of similar talents than Americans and foreigners. That's a huge source of my frustration with those 3.

Well, Saputo always had a hard on for Italian talent over locals anyways. The team might be based in Montreal, but its owner doesn't understand its audience and I doubt he identifies with the more nationalistic nature of Quebecers. Its really obvious here.

A CPL Laval or Montreal would likely do the opposite of this with local owners that relates to locals. I applaud CPL to understand as much and emphasize on owners being as locals as possible. In the most nationalistic province in the country, a CPL team in the province should make the top talent AND top francophone talent AND top next up and coming francophone the centre of their marketing. Then they should work harder to draw from suburban areas since Montreal Impact has done NOTHING outside the island.

Don't believe me? When the Nordiques were around, the whole province favoured them over the Habs. French talent was central and they understood the identity of the province and wrapped themselves in it. I remember that whenever the Habs went to Quebec, they were booed out of the building. When the Nordiques went to the Forum, HALF the building cheered the Nordiques. It forced the Habs to be better identity-wise and forced them to be a winning team. Who can argue they've been crap and could care less about francophone talent ever since Quebec Nordiques left the league? So if they aren't winning, they get empty seats like last year and a significant drop in TV ratings. Why corner yourself in a situation where if you don't win, you're deserted by your fans? How many teams around the world still sellout despite being average or bad or flirting with relegation zones? The league not resonating with Canadians does play a part too.

Also, outside of Toronto, what rivalry does the Impact have? In CPL they could revive the hated Quebec vs Montreal rivalry, still have a rivalry with York 9 and Ottawa. The league have to find a way to make them care, and I tell CPL all the time "PUSH FRENCH CONTENT", have a french spokesperson etc... It will pay off in French communities outside of Quebec as well.

No one will ever make me buy that this Metro area can't support more than 1 club. No way...

end of rant...

sorry for the language

 

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2 hours ago, El Diego said:

What information do we have to believe that a CPL would be successful in Montreal? I find it hard to believe that a resident would be interested in a completely new CPL team when they have the Impact there, but I'm not overly familiar with the soccer in community in Montreal so I'm open to having my mind changed.

While definitely a gamble, there's a trend of teams launched in the 90s/early 2000s getting eclipsed by newcomers with better stadium location in the same market 

The odds that CPL ends with anything downtown seems like a big stretch, but if they got a big family on board I could see them being successful. Obviously a huge if

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10 hours ago, Ansem said:

The Montreal Metro area has over 4M people. Many on twitter including journalists said that a team in Laval would hurt Montreal Impact. My rebuttal to that is :

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end of rant...

sorry for the language

 

Great rant Ansem! I aways enjoy reading a good rant even if I don't agree with everything that is said. And no need to apologize for the language: given the depth of feeling that was obviously involved, I thought only one asterisked f-bomb showed remarkable restraint!

I know I am in a small minority on this (on here) but here it is anyway: I think the league is responsible for setting the rules and the club is responsible for putting out the best possible team under those rules. So, if you want to mandate minimum Canadian content (as the CPL will do), that is the responsibility of the league, not the club. I do not think MLS clubs located in Canada have any moral responsibility to develop Canadian talent above what will help them to succeed in MLS. MLS is an American league. Canadian fans need to understand this. And this is precisely why the CPL, a Canadian league, is so desperately needed.

With that said, I agree with your point that Impact marketing has probably missed a trick by not making better use of French Canadian talent. I too have the perception that in that part of Canada in particular, fans would be very partial to home grown talent. 

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 "I do not think MLS clubs located in Canada have any moral responsibility to develop Canadian talent above what will help them to succeed in MLS. MLS is an American league. Canadian fans need to understand this. And this is precisely why the CPL, a Canadian league, is so desperately needed."

 

Hear, hear !

 

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2 hours ago, Winnipeg Fury said:

 "I do not think MLS clubs located in Canada have any moral responsibility to develop Canadian talent above what will help them to succeed in MLS. MLS is an American league. Canadian fans need to understand this. And this is precisely why the CPL, a Canadian league, is so desperately needed."

 

Hear, hear !

 

Not that I’m disagreeing necessarily, but MLS/Garber and the Canadian MLS teams have repeatedly stated that that’s what they’ll do ... develop more Canadian players and improve the player pool en route to getting Canada back to a World Cup. So one could be excused for believing that it is part of their mandate. 

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7 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said:

Not that I’m disagreeing necessarily, but MLS/Garber and the Canadian MLS teams have repeatedly stated that that’s what they’ll do ... develop more Canadian players and improve the player pool en route to getting Canada back to a World Cup. So one could be excused for believing that it is part of their mandate. 

Because it is part of their mandate. It's why the CSA originally sanctioned MLS in Canada (and continues to do so).

How big a part is the question. But the MLS teams will have the most fleshed-out development pathways in Canada for the foreseeable future, and thus will play a big part in growing and improving the player pool.

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3 hours ago, rob.notenboom said:

Not that I’m disagreeing necessarily, but MLS/Garber and the Canadian MLS teams have repeatedly stated that that’s what they’ll do ... develop more Canadian players and improve the player pool en route to getting Canada back to a World Cup. So one could be excused for believing that it is part of their mandate. 

That is a good point Rob. I do not pay much attention to MLS but I have certainly heard griping that the MLS franchises based in Canada do not play enough Canadians -- including complaints about limited playing time for Alphonso Davies. But if these MLS franchises have said they will develop Canadian talent (although that is hard to quantify) then they certainly deserve criticism if people percieve that they are not doing it. Of course if there are no Canadians in the first team, they can always simply claim that their Canadian players are not good enough right now.

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7 minutes ago, dsqpr said:

That is a good point Rob. I do not pay much attention to MLS but I have certainly heard griping that the MLS franchises based in Canada do not play enough Canadians -- including complaints about limited playing time for Alphonso Davies. But if these MLS franchises have said they will develop Canadian talent (although that is hard to quantify) then they certainly deserve criticism if people percieve that they are not doing it. Of course if there are no Canadians in the first team, they can always simply claim that their Canadian players are not good enough right now.

It has been a regular answer from many MLS parties when asked, whether that be Garber, Lenarduzzi, Leiweke, etc. 

I would rather not wade into the ‘does MLS do enough for Canadian player development’ debate. There are good points on both sides and they’ve been beaten to death. But I have trouble subscribing to the notion that MLS is an American League and we shouldn’t expect them to purposefully do anything for Canadian player development, when they explicitly state that it is a goal of theirs. 

https://www.wakingthered.com/2015/12/6/9855210/garber-talks-canadian-expansion-player-rules-and-the-state-of-mls-in-canada

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