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Altidore's hold up play is better. Altidore's dribbling is arguably better. Larin's finishing is arguably better. Larin's shooting is better. Altidore's set pieces are better (presumably, as I have never seen Larin take a set piece). Larin is arguably better in the air.

I don't know, it's close but I think Altidore is a more complete player, for now anyways.

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1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Altidore's hold up play is better. Altidore's dribbling is arguably better. Larin's finishing is arguably better. Larin's shooting is better. Altidore's set pieces are better (presumably, as I have never seen Larin take a set piece). Larin is arguably better in the air.

I don't know, it's close but I think Altidore is a more complete player, for now anyways.

Altidore is able to break down a defense coming from behind the forward position. He is also better attacking from a wing. I think he dribbles better and as a playmaker he is better as well. So I pretty well agree. 

Cyle is a finisher, which is a hard thing to be in any sport. Not everyone can do it, so if he can keep doing it as he rises in in competitive level, he'll become very valuable. If he does not improve, he'll end up like Olivier Occéan or so.

IMO he needs to improve his work rate, and movement off the ball (just go to a game and watch Luis Suarez the whole match, there you'll have it, the way he works his shoulder into a defender, lays off, adjusts sides, turns to set himself in one spot, then shifts 15 metres and repeats in another spot, as well as the runs he makes into space, all the off the ball work including bumping into defenders, is exemplary; then he has great balance when receiving the ball and can release quickly, things I think Cyle also has. Another player I think you can watch is Ibra, I love him off the ball, but he is different physically, with his length and flexibility).

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17 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Altidore is able to break down a defense coming from behind the forward position. He is also better attacking from a wing. I think he dribbles better and as a playmaker he is better as well. So I pretty well agree. 

Cyle is a finisher, which is a hard thing to be in any sport. Not everyone can do it, so if he can keep doing it as he rises in in competitive level, he'll become very valuable. If he does not improve, he'll end up like Olivier Occéan or so.

IMO he needs to improve his work rate, and movement off the ball (just go to a game and watch Luis Suarez the whole match, there you'll have it, the way he works his shoulder into a defender, lays off, adjusts sides, turns to set himself in one spot, then shifts 15 metres and repeats in another spot, as well as the runs he makes into space, all the off the ball work including bumping into defenders, is exemplary; then he has great balance when receiving the ball and can release quickly, things I think Cyle also has. Another player I think you can watch is Ibra, I love him off the ball, but he is different physically, with his length and flexibility).

The longer he stays in MLS, the less likely it becomes that he will reach the next level.  As is, he is not a difference maker at the international level, at least not for Canada given how little service we provide our strikers and given that we we only create 1 or 2 chances in a typical qualifying game against decent opposition.

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3 hours ago, Keegan said:

Gotta be Larin all day and I'd suspect that most Americans would say the same.  Larin is just better all around, I'm not sure there is an area that Jozy is better.. maybe strength but Larin isn't exactly weak.  

I'm not saying picking Larin is wrong. Just his explanation toawrds picking Larin was more for the long term

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44 minutes ago, BrennanFan said:

The longer he stays in MLS, the less likely it becomes that he will reach the next level.  As is, he is not a difference maker at the international level, at least not for Canada given how little service we provide our strikers and given that we we only create 1 or 2 chances in a typical qualifying game against decent opposition.

I have the opposite view. I think he needs to continue rounding out his game here before he moves on. He does (and will) have to move on sooner or later. At minimum, I want him to complete this season in MLS, perhaps moving in the summer window of 2018.

Orlando might get a premium fee for him then too, as many clubs seem to buy players at World Cup time. Even though he won't be in it, his price in the market would be higher I imagine. 

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I hope he follows a career path similar to Atiba (using MLS to skip Scandinavia) by becoming a valuable starter for clubs who constantly play in Europe.

I don't really see him as premier league quality. That's not a slight against him, it's the bloody premier league. I don't want him to sign as a flavour of the month and get cast away when he doesn't produce immediately. With the money pouring into that league now they are always looking for the next big thing. 

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1 hour ago, Alex D said:

I hope he follows a career path similar to Atiba (using MLS to skip Scandinavia) by becoming a valuable starter for clubs who constantly play in Europe.

I don't really see him as premier league quality. That's not a slight against him, it's the bloody premier league. I don't want him to sign as a flavour of the month and get cast away when he doesn't produce immediately. With the money pouring into that league now they are always looking for the next big thing. 

Most overrated league in the world

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10 hours ago, Ruffian said:

I think he is a fan of Antoine Griezmann. That is his celebration.

And Griezmann is imitating  Larin's countryman.Drake-Hotline-Bling7.png

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1 hour ago, Alex D said:

I hope he follows a career path similar to Atiba (using MLS to skip Scandinavia) by becoming a valuable starter for clubs who constantly play in Europe.

I don't really see him as premier league quality. That's not a slight against him, it's the bloody premier league. I don't want him to sign as a flavour of the month and get cast away when he doesn't produce immediately. With the money pouring into that league now they are always looking for the next big thing. 

I tend to agree with this.  That is why the Portugal rumours were interesting - it seems like the kind of league that could help Larin get to the next level.  

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3 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

I tend to agree with this.  That is why the Portugal rumours were interesting - it seems like the kind of league that could help Larin get to the next level.  

I like the Portugal rumours as well and hope the Celtic rumours don't play out.  I'm a big Celtic supporter and would buy his jersey immediately if he joined the hoops, but i'm not sure the league quality is any better than the MLS (old firm aside). He'd be starting at the same level as Marcus Haber, not totally forward movement. I appreciate the European tournament incentive, but would rather see that with a team in a country like Portugal who seem to have a deeper league.

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I'd love to see him move to Portugal, Netherlands or Belgium or something like a mid-table Spanish club in summer. It should be a clear of upwards to see if he can progress. If he succeeds at that, bigger clubs / leagues are sure to come. 

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9 hours ago, BrennanFan said:

The longer he stays in MLS, the less likely it becomes that he will reach the next level.  As is, he is not a difference maker at the international level, at least not for Canada given how little service we provide our strikers and given that we we only create 1 or 2 chances in a typical qualifying game against decent opposition.

I agree. Since this is only the third year pro, it is fine. But next year, or this summer, he should go to a club where he'll be forced to learn.

I mean, a pro team with no other player to compete with a striker who's 21, even that is ridiculous. Even scoring, anywhere he'd go in Europe he'd have more pressure and competition.

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6 hours ago, Pottsy3 said:

I like the Portugal rumours as well and hope the Celtic rumours don't play out.  I'm a big Celtic supporter and would buy his jersey immediately if he joined the hoops, but i'm not sure the league quality is any better than the MLS (old firm aside). He'd be starting at the same level as Marcus Haber, not totally forward movement. I appreciate the European tournament incentive, but would rather see that with a team in a country like Portugal who seem to have a deeper league.

Can we all agree the old firm is dead and the only power that remains is Celtic. I'm tired of everyone acting like there are still two mega teams there

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1 hour ago, matty said:

Can we all agree the old firm is dead and the only power that remains is Celtic. I'm tired of everyone acting like there are still two mega teams there

lol. All, who? Do you believe that the clubs supporters and owners won't use past histories to build anew? 

2 mega teams right now? No. Old Firm dead? Not to everyone.

I really have no preference where Larin goes outside of MLS I just wish him luck if and when he does.

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Just now, Fort York Redcoat said:

lol. All, who? Do you believe that the clubs supporters and owners won't use past histories to build anew? 

2 mega teams right now? No. Old Firm dead? Not to everyone.

A) Celtic are not threatened by Rangers
B ) Celtic and their fans know it
C) It'll take at least a decade for Rangers to rebuild enough to actually rival Celtic
D) This is the Rangers in name only

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5 minutes ago, matty said:

A) Celtic are not threatened by Rangers
B ) Celtic and their fans know it
C) It'll take at least a decade for Rangers to rebuild enough to actually rival Celtic
D) This is the Rangers in name only

Cool list. So in a decade you would prefer to say The Old Firm is back from the dead? Honestly, talking in absolutes, thinking one of the biggest rivalries in sport would disappear that easily is incredibly bias. But hey, that's sports.

 

Whatever, this is Cyle's thread. 

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15 minutes ago, matty said:

A) Celtic are not threatened by Rangers
B ) Celtic and their fans know it
C) It'll take at least a decade for Rangers to rebuild enough to actually rival Celtic
D) This is the Rangers in name only

I agree with all but C), it remains to be seen whether Sevco will have the financial resources to be competetive with Celtic again! I would like to see Larin move on but not to Celtic, the EPL just doesn't offer enough challenge week in and week out!

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Have either of you ever lived in Scotland or are you both just playing the role based on stuff you have read on one of the more extreme Old Firm messageboards? If a club like Aberdeen could mount a bit of a title challenge in recent times, it won't take ten years for Rangers to be able to do the same given Rangers can still attract 50,000 fans to games while Aberdeen are doing well when they attract more than 12,000 or so. Celtic are a pale shadow of what they used to be as their results in Europe have demonstrated in recent seasons. Have to say though that as I read Mo Johnston stating in a Scottish newspaper recently I think MLS is a better standard than the SPL overall, so it's not where Larin should go next if he is aiming for the real big time.

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31 minutes ago, Fort York Redcoat said:

Cool list. So in a decade you would prefer to say The Old Firm is back from the dead? Honestly, talking in absolutes, thinking one of the biggest rivalries in sport would disappear that easily is incredibly bias. But hey, that's sports.

 

Whatever, this is Cyle's thread. 

I would say it's possible that Rangers could truly rival Celtic again and that their games have stakes.

Also sports rivalries can die and fall to the backburner we've seen it happen before

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4 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

If Aberdeen could mount a bit of a title challenge in recent time, it won't take ten years for Rangers to be able to do the same given Rangers can still attract 50,000 fans to games while Aberdeen are doing well when they attract more than 12,000 or so.

Rangers are still in a great deal of debt and not not generating the funds needed to both deal with money issues and outright compete with Celtic. They might be a cup/Europa contender but it's unlikely we'll see a non-Celtic win Scotland for nearly a decade.

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Bit of a tangent but this thread is already filled with them.

People here are talking about Portugal here as a potentially good landing spot for Larin. I just did a bit of digging today and found out (maybe everyone already knows this) that Portugal is actually the 4th best league in Europe according to the UEFA coefficients. People generally accept the big 4 as being Germany, Spain, England, and Italy (in no particular order), and if there is a 5th, it's probably France. But the coefficients tell a different story.

1. Germany
2. Spain
3. England
4. Portugal
5. Belgium
6. Italy
7. Netherlands
8. France

Incidentally, I was looking this up to see which players were in the highest rated leagues. Arfield obviously in England, then next is Stamatopolous in Sweden (number 16, Turkey if you are wondering is at 22).

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