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14 hours ago, jpg75 said:

Yeah, like how to sell a dive.

I was going to add "... at the training pool" to the original post.

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1 hour ago, amacpher said:

I'm not so sure that Sanches is going to be fine.  But perhaps a better example is Julien Green who joined Bayern at about the same age as Davies and has completely fallen off the radar.  

Yeah positionally that's a better comparison but even when I watched Julien Green coming up, I never saw the x-factor that Davies has, despite all the goals he scored with Bayern's second team.

I think Green is actually closer to Tabla than Davies, at least when it comes to playing style. 

I am curious what Bayern plan for Davies on the field, but in the most recent interview he says they discussed how they see him fitting into the team first team (should he earn it). That makes me think they'll play him close to goal, because I presume Davies would not have chosen Bayern (yes, he chose them) if their plan was for him to play as a wingback or fullback. He may still play there, but I now feel comfortable speculating that wing back or full back isn't why they brought him in. I can't wait to see either way.

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24 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Yeah positionally that's a better comparison but even when I watched Julien Green coming up, I never saw the x-factor that Davies has, despite all the goals he scored with Bayern's second team.

I think Green is actually closer to Tabla than Davies, at least when it comes to playing style. 

I am curious what Bayern plan for Davies on the field, but in the most recent interview he says they discussed how they see him fitting into the team first team (should he earn it). That makes me think they'll play him close to goal, because I presume Davies would not have chosen Bayern (yes, he chose them) if their plan was for him to play as a wingback or fullback. He may still play there, but I now feel comfortable speculating that wing back or full back isn't why they brought him in. I can't wait to see either way.

At least he will get to play in Champions League especially playing for a big club like Bayern

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5 hours ago, Gordon said:

We play in CONCACAF, I have dreams - fantasies even - of Canadian players selling dives and injuries up one, late at Saprissa with Costa Rican (or any nation) seething at the injustice. Welcome to our world Bitches!!!

Me too, 100%. We have been what the Spanish call "madres" for too long (yes, they say that when a player is naive and too nice).

In any case, it is never really cut and dry. If some hack defender is going to go for your ankles and boot because he is not good enough to take the ball from you, you HAVE to go down, and not wait too long to do so. Go down, sell the foul, and get the guy to back off. Embellishment is the way a team with the ball and some talent superiority ensures they have that bit of space to be able to play the game they want to. If the ref goes with you, you force the defender to slightly back off, all you need to play your game. 

I have never heard anyone ever complain of diving in reference to an untechnical player on a losing team.

But the same when it comes to killing off a game by having every player on the pitch without a yellow getting one in the last 10 minutes to preserve a win.

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3 hours ago, Tg11 said:

Definitely agree with this comparison and the parallels are there too. I just hope he actually gets first team minutes and by playing for one of the best clubs in Europe playing in one of the best leagues in the world in the Bundesliga it can only help him in his progression to superstardom. I mean with Bayern he actually gets a chance to not only play alongside the world's best players in Germany but to compete against the very best that that league has to offer and he gets that valuable Champions League experience too which is just a bonus.

And with one of the best coaches around, I hope Pep Guardiola really shows him the ropes.

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I was thinking that the Caps announcing that Alphonso is playing tomorrow, which is silly as it conditions the coach, would give rise to a run on tickets. A lot of people are curious, you'd think there might be another 5000-8000 interested in seeing him, or more, enough to justify opening the upper tier. 

But just checked official and unofficial resale channels, and a lot is available still. I even saw a Clubhouse box available for 30 euros each on stub hub, that was a cool deal.

So I am not sure how it goes: the lower tier can absorb a few thousand more and its upper reaches can be opened up. When, though, do the Whitecaps say it is worth having a few extra thousand in an upper bowl,  that it is better than sending potential fans away. That would have to be the dream: selling over 35,000 at BC Place and regularly opening the upper tier to sell 10k more tix.

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When they buy a couple of name DP's or players that can cause the stir. That is the only thing that will draw extra punters in. The experience and onfield product then has to be decent to get them to stay. 

I can't see the attendance spiking for anything else, maybe a deeper playoff run but thats only temporary. It will grow with time 5/10 years if they invest the Davies money well in players that will excite the paying crowd when they come or draw more media to the club. 

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The young Whitecap has been promised first-team minutes, with no loans or residency spells, shown how they want him to fit into the team’s playing style, and the off-field support a teenager alone in a foreign country needs — from German lessons (“It’s not good, he smiled. “I don’t think I know any”) to food and lodging.

https://theprovince.com/sports/soccer/mls/vancouver-whitecaps/art-of-the-alphonso-davies-deal-how-a-special-bond-made-for-dramatic-lucrative-transfer

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Just read that article too, and it strikes me how important it is for young up and coming athletes to have good people around them to help them keep them grounded with their heads on straight and to protect them from the sharks.

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22 minutes ago, LeoH037 said:

He's already surpassed Tabla methinks, and the way he handled the ball on that second goal for me proved it. 

So you watched Tabla in the last 20 minutes today vs. Tottenham, you saw a couple of classy details there did you?

Just asking, since Tabla has now played a friendly with the first team of Barcelona, and played  half a season in Spanish 2nd tier, arguably better on average than MLS. 

I am not going to slag Davies, I was blown away tonight at the game. He was incredible. But he won't see the field with Bayern until next January, so we should be cautious about comparisons.

 

Edited by Unnamed Trialist

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Oh I saw the entire game, and while I liked what I saw from Tabla, I'm convinced Davies has the higher ceiling. He just has more tools than Tabla does, and when comparing Tabla's last MLS season with Davies, its clear who's made the biggest impact for their team. At 17 Tabla was not considered the best player of his age group neither, and while I'm convinced Tabla will one day end up starting for a good European team, I'm personally still skeptical as to whether that team will be Barcelona since there are many players with a style and skill set similar to his. Davies on the other side I can picture as breaking into the Bayern XI some day as there aren't many players in the world like him, and Bayern wouldn't shell that much $$$ on a teenager (heck, the most Bayern has ever spent on a player is 41.5M euro) if they didn't intend on giving him a chance.

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I said last year Tabla is a more world class skill player while Davies has that elite athletic level that very few in the world have.  Now I see skill and confidence from Davies that makes me wonder if Davies is the more talented player skill wise at the same age - I think he just edges it. 

Both are enormous talents but the truth is one just went for 22 M and has achieved quite a few more feats.  Ironic that maybe if Tabla played for Canada he would have reached the same value.

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Saw the highlights...

 

hes a 17 year old with match winning ability, he won the game for the caps... he will play at Bayern for a longtime and he will carry Canada to the 22 WC, he’s dominating a league near par with the EFL championship... he alone can get us out of Concacaf, what’s great is he’s got help in place and on the way..

 

Ballou would of had this type of exposure if he stayed...

our midfield is looking great.

 

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Some of the arguments against Davies is that he is mostly speed and that he is playing against MLS defenders. But if you look at both of his goals last night that was some tight dribbling and ball control to move into position. Even against lower quality defenders those moves require a lot of skill. His dribbling ability has improved immensely.

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Above all else what an absolute gem of a human being this young man seems to be.  His Instagram story before this performance he was at a teenage birthday party just as a normal kid despite all the talk and headlines and then he does that and just says “I love playing football”.  

This is what we always dreamed of.  The day we would have a homegrown “Crosby” footballer who was a level headed person and loved this country.  So so happy for him.

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I’m watching the replay on TSN now and it’s stunning how much more athletic and skilled Davies is compared to anyone else on the field.  

He’s just so dangerous out there that the opposition has to be aware of him at all times or risk what happened to Minnesota in the 2nd half.

Moving to Bayern will get the most out of him.  One thing I noticed is that Vancouver plays so much longball that he never would develop great possession skills if he stayed there much longer.  Bayern will hone those skills and that discipline combined with his athleticism could make an unbeatable combination.  

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