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Was hoping some of the supporters groups from Toronto would be announcing they are going to Torreon in April, would be a fun trip into the cauldron of the Santos stadium. CCL would take a huge jump if 1000 dressed in red and flag waving Toronto fans headed down there.

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Had Seattle kept their lead in the series then an organized group to Seattle was already planned and ready to go.

I work in the travel industry and spend all year telling people that Mexico is safe every time they read in the paper about a canadian getting injured or worse, however that is in regards to Puerto Vallarta, Cancun, Mayan etc. When it comes to the northern Mexican states then all bets are off.

Anyone seriously thinking about it should review the official travel advisory for Mexico

http://voyage.gc.ca/countries_pays/report_rapport-eng.asp?id=184000

here's the key part of the report

Criminals especially target SUVs and full-size pickup trucks for theft and carjacking along highways in the states of Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Sonora, and Sinaloa.

Travellers should also avoid travelling by land to or through these border states and should do so only if it is absolutely necessary, and after making appropriate arrangements to ensure their personal safety.

Torreo is on Coahuila region.

On a secondary note, it's not a place you can fly into directly from Canada,

Suggest save your money, hope TFC advances and UNAM advances and go to mexico for the final..

or (biased here) come to Cuba for Canada vs Cuba on June 8th..

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Had Seattle kept their lead in the series then an organized group to Seattle was already planned and ready to go.

That would have been wicked, I might have been able to go (Seattle being only 2 hrs by ferry from here.)

or (biased here) come to Cuba for Canada vs Cuba on June 8th..

Looking forward to seeing all the photos and hearing about it. Wish I could go.

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Anyone seriously thinking about it should review the official travel advisory for Mexico

http://voyage.gc.ca/countries_pays/report_rapport-eng.asp?id=184000

here's the key part of the report

Criminals especially target SUVs and full-size pickup trucks for theft and carjacking along highways in the states of Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Baja California, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Sonora, and Sinaloa.

Travellers should also avoid travelling by land to or through these border states and should do so only if it is absolutely necessary, and after making appropriate arrangements to ensure their personal safety.

Torreo is on Coahuila region.

Interesting to consider pursuing a neutral venue for their 'home game' given the travel advisory. Our federal government doesn't base those advisories on rainbows and unicorn tears, so there is a very real danger of foreigners travelling in that area. I would think that a visiting pro soccer club could be a fairly tempting and high profile target for organized crime.

Not to say that TFC would necessarily be in real danger, but if we could use it to kill their home field advantage (look at what happened to Seattle) it may be worth pursuing.

Enough of this polite canadian $hit - lets get pragmatic and win some hardware.

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Interesting to consider pursuing a neutral venue for their 'home game' given the travel advisory. Our federal government doesn't base those advisories on rainbows and unicorn tears, so there is a very real danger of foreigners travelling in that area. I would think that a visiting pro soccer club could be a fairly tempting and high profile target for organized crime.

Please, please, no. On behalf of the city of Toronto, no.

If the Impact can go play there, there's absolutely no reason why TFC cannot. Can you imagine the reaction in the press and/or general public if "Toronto" is seen as trying to weasle their way out of a difficult situation that was managed quite respectably by another major Canadian city just a few years before? Things are bad enough as it is, with the army jokes every time it snows here.

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Please, please, no. On behalf of the city of Toronto, no.

If the Impact can go play there, there's absolutely no reason why TFC cannot. Can you imagine the reaction in the press and/or general public if "Toronto" is seen as trying to weasle their way out of a difficult situation that was managed quite respectably by another major Canadian city just a few years before? Things are bad enough as it is, with the army jokes every time it snows here.

+1.

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It's possible a few might make it down but given the lack of time to plan, the worsening situation there and that the game is taking place after the MLS season begins. Considering the good showing of TFC fans showing in Tegucigalpa a couple of years ago it's not as though this kind of trip is unprecedented.

I don't know if there were any/many Seattle fans down there the other night but I didn't notice any on the broadcast.

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Torreon in 2009 > Torreon in 2012.

The situation there is pretty terrible right now.

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Please, please, no. On behalf of the city of Toronto, no.

If the Impact can go play there, there's absolutely no reason why TFC cannot. Can you imagine the reaction in the press and/or general public if "Toronto" is seen as trying to weasle their way out of a difficult situation that was managed quite respectably by another major Canadian city just a few years before? Things are bad enough as it is, with the army jokes every time it snows here.

It snows here?

Seriously though, if I were a TFC player, going in with a lead, I would not want to go and win.

I have been going to Bogota for 13 years, it is pretty safe now but in the late 90's it was insanely dangerous. Torreon is MUCH worse.

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The intent of my post wasn't just about the danger (though I think it is foolish to ignore the reality of what is going on in that area). The major point I was making was that the situation could possibly be used to leverage a solution to their home field advantage. If the Seattle home-and-away is any indication, they will be much stronger there than here. If we could effectively argue for a neutral venue, I think the value of that outcome would far outweigh a few supposed taunts from some Impact fans. FWIW, they will also mock if we go to Mexico And Santos tear us a new one.

Anywho, just thinking out loud on here. The idea doesn't seem to be getting much traction from a tactical point of view, so carry on. I just think that if there is an avenue open to us that would increase our odds of getting a positive outcome, then it should be pursued.

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Torreon in 2009 > Torreon in 2012.

The situation there is pretty terrible right now.

This is true but the situation was pretty bad when we went as well. The travel advisory was in place and the military was patrolling the streets in trucks with five masked soldiers in the back packing rifles, grenade belts and machine guns and ready for a gunfight at a moments notice. The plane from Houston to Torreon and hotel in Torreon were almost empty as were the streets of the city once it got dark. Then there was the shootout between the federal police and the Torreon police that occurred shortly before we visited (yes two police forces shooting at each other, with one municipal policeman shot dead, many injured and dozens arrested).

But yes the situation has deteriorated even further and there is a lot more random violence now like kidnappings and cutoff heads bearing messages being placed strategically throughout the city. At the time we went the risk was probably on the border of being acceptable but now it has certainly crossed over that border. I doubt the team will have any trouble because they will have a large number of police escorts everywhere they go. But random fans without police protection could possibly be a target. In general tourists are not the target of the gang violence but the violence has become so random now that it is hard to predict. Probably a visiting group of fans would not have any problems and would have a good time but the risk of something happening is really too high to take a chance. If you look on the narco blogs you can see videos of beheadings, skinning and dismembering bodies that make some of the Iraq videos look tame. So I personally would not recommend anyone go to Torreon for this game.

It is sad to see what has happened there. Torreon is a very industrial city and not the most beautiful but the people were very friendly and the club treated us very well. There are some very nice cities nearby like Monterrey that are also too dangerous to visit at the moment. I would really love to go back and hope that someday it will be safe enough again to do so. It is really sad to see a country that admittedly had some problems but was more or less stable descend into total chaos like this. At least in the north it is pretty much a failed state with no law and order whatsoever. And all in the name of the war on drugs.

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Apparently, a few Seattle supporters made the trip to Mexico last week.

From what I could find, it seems like one lone member of ECS went down for the game. The Sounders had a picture of him in the stands though I could not link it here due to the way they program their site. Pretty brave guy but probably a small group could make some arrangements with their club as far as security and stay in the same hotel though I do not know if this guy did this or not.

Torreon was recently named the 7th most dangerous city in the world in 2011: http://www.advantagemexico.com/news/5221/most-violent-cities-in-the-world-for-2011

The Washington Post's article about which places in Mexico are safe to travel or not does not list Torreon but places nearby Monterrey in the lowest category, Don’t visit unless you’re a commando : http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/mexico-a-guide-to-which-parts-are-safe-to-travel-to-and-which-are-dangerous/2011/12/08/gIQAkQ2jyO_story_2.html

Also interesting is the narco killings map, a weekly list of killings in each city of Mexico. Torreon always has a lot of incidents: http://sites.google.com/site/policereform/narco-killings

Sports Illustrated has an interesting article about 3 American players playing in Mexico including one playing for Santos: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20120119/usplayers-mexico/index.html

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