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Will be speaking with Peter Montopoli.........

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...and a couple others from the CSA in the next few days regarding organizing our support for upcoming friendlies. As usual, working in concert with Canadian club supporter groups.

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This is not about the friendlies but I have a very important question that I have not heard anybody bring up lately and I would like you to ask him.

Many changes are taking place at Canada's CFL stadiums (BC Place renos, turf at Commonwealth, new stadium in Winnipeg, discussions in Saskatchewan). How involved is the CSA in these discussions?. Are you monitoring that these new facilities will at least meet FIFA's minimum standards should we ever try to host THE large event at some point in the future?

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No harm in trying to get a plan in place for 2012 qualifying. How to avoid another Honduras in Montreal situation

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This is not about the friendlies but I have a very important question that I have not heard anybody bring up lately and I would like you to ask him.

Many changes are taking place at Canada's CFL stadiums (BC Place renos, turf at Commonwealth, new stadium in Winnipeg, discussions in Saskatchewan). How involved is the CSA in these discussions?. Are you monitoring that these new facilities will at least meet FIFA's minimum standards should we ever try to host THE large event at some point in the future?

Yes, I would love to hear that answer with Winnipeg getting a new stadium for the Bombers.

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1) What are the two women's home games they announced earlier this year?

2) Are our women playing two games in China next week?

3) Would Charmaine Hooper not be the perfect spearhead for a 2015 bid?

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How optimistic is he that the proposed changes to the CSA's governance structure will be voted through? How would his role change if they were voted through? Has he thought about a possible back-up plan in case the idiots who hold power on the board manage to defeat the governance vote, more or less in how he could help the CSA towards a MNT World Cup appearance? How is the CSA currently involving itself in the growth of semi-pro and professional clubs in Canada (I want specifics as this is directly affecting efforts in Saskatchewan to grow the semi-pro and pro game)?

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Many changes are taking place at Canada's CFL stadiums (BC Place renos, turf at Commonwealth, new stadium in Winnipeg, discussions in Saskatchewan). How involved is the CSA in these discussions?. Are you monitoring that these new facilities will at least meet FIFA's minimum standards should we ever try to host THE large event at some point in the future?

I second that one.

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I think that these meetings and conversations would be best served if they were used to lay the ground work of what we want to achieve four years from now when the real matches start. Namely, that there is proper support for Canada at home games for important matches.

As far as the upcomming friendlies, I dont see much there to discuss and resolve. They are friendlies in a year and time where every soccer fans attention will be diverted to the world cup. World cup qualifier is where we have issues that need to be resolved. There is no point laying the groundwork for this when it comes to friendlies because the fan fervour and emotions and not there for friendlies like they are for WCQ.

Getting back to my frist point. We can start by laying the groundwork to ensure that the CSA is in line with our aims to ensure that there is proper or adequate support for Canada in the stands for the important matches such as World Cup qualifier . Once we have a commitment from them that it is a concern for them and that they want to work with us on it, then we can we can plan specifics later on. In short, we need to make sure that what happened in Montreal against honduras, doesn't ever happen again. Montreal was just an extreme example, but I am yet an ideal situation when it comes to home support for canada at any venue in canada for a WCQ.

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I would like to bring up the issue of security at Saputo.

It was unacceptable last time and needs to be better. We need the CSA to stand up for us on this. I really don't want to be told to go back to my own country again.

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This is sort of run of the mill, but it came to me after re-reading many of the posts regarding Honduras in Montreal WCQ08. Is the CSA's marketing department, or whoever they outsource MNT marketing to, going to actually sit down and think things through when it comes to promotions for the game? I mean, blue thundersticks when playing Honduras is disgusting and so fucking amateur that someone better have gotten fired over that one. Also, ask him if the CSA is putting any thought into the venues for WCQ2012, such as NOT hosting specific nations in places where they would be able to generate a large following (a.k.a. Jamaica in TO, Honduras:mad: in Montreal). Bring Honduras to St. John's in late September or October and make them suffer (with the rest of us :P)!

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I would like to bring up the issue of security at Saputo.

It was unacceptable last time and needs to be better. We need the CSA to stand up for us on this. I really don't want to be told to go back to my own country again.

I will definetly ask

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WF: on the ticketing side, has there been any thought of the CSA giving the V's control of certain sections of the ground, especially for home WCQ's. By control, I mean, leaving the sales of tickets in one particular section within the group (and the various supporters groups for TFC, Impact and Whitecaps) so if you aren't a recognized member of one of the groups, you can't buy there. That way, we could try to ensure a home following in that area, hopefully an enthusiastic and slightly hostile following, as opposed to the stupid "password" idea tried by Ticketmaster in the past? Cheers.

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As far as the upcomming friendlies, I dont see much there to discuss and resolve. They are friendlies in a year and time where every soccer fans attention will be diverted to the world cup. World cup qualifier is where we have issues that need to be resolved. There is no point laying the groundwork for this when it comes to friendlies because the fan fervour and emotions and not there for friendlies like they are for WCQ.

These issues are one and the same.

We need to maintain our alliances and working relationships with different groups and organizations across Canada. We made great strides during Qualifying across Canada and have to maintain our presence, or risk slipping and losing everything we gained.

It goes without saying these are just exhibition matches and will not have the same intensity as Qualifying matches. But much of the same preparation behind the scenes is the same, so this is always preparation for next WCQ cycle.

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I've already posted this a couple of times, but i'll do it again. The WCQ's in the SF round need to be played in one location to ensure that a majority of the crowd is pro-Canadian. The intitial launch of tickets should be 3-game mini-packs ONLY and should be solicited to all Season ticket holders, waiting lists, supporters groups (club and country (V's)) and youth soccer associations (clubs, district, provincial etc.). Sell the tickets at a discounted rate for the Canadian fans and if there are any tickets leftover you sell them individually at an exorbitant rate so that the foreign fans subsidize the Canadian ones.

I don't care if we play at BMO or SS, it has to be ONE location and the CSA has to ensure there are no scheduling conflicts ahead of time. So start talking to MLS now, 2 years ahead of time so that TFC or Montreal home games are NOT scheduled on WCQ dates, OR, that MLS is flexible in re-scheduling any TFC or Montreal home games that conflict with Canadas' home games.

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Talking about scheduling is all well and good, but as supporters we need to take control of the areas we can make a difference.

I'm waiting to hear what WF has arranged with the CSA before I start shouting too loudly, but I really hope it's possible for us to arrange a stupidly easy bus service for these two friendlies. Some two-digit cost getting you a bus from Toronto to Montreal, a same-day bus back, and tickets in our section for both games. In the event that there's enough interest in Montreal traveling support, do the same thing going the other way. Make it available to Ultras, Red Patch Boys, U-Sector, and that kid across the street whose never been to a nats game but plays in your son's youth league and might be interested. Make it so easy there's no excuse not to do it.

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Supporters are only a small fraction of the stadium attendance, a few thousand V's are not going to drown out 8K Honduran fans. If we want to have a greater voice we need to bump the numbers of pro-Canadians in the stands, that'll bring down the number and volume of the foreign fans. We need to reach out to those not involved with the supporters groups to achieve this. We need the scheduling taken care of, we need the packaging of the games and for it to be affordable and easy to buy by Canadian fans.

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^ Make the tickets $5 for kids signed up with local clubs and advertise within the local clubs

It's what they did for the Women's friendlies at BMO and they were packed with girls teams.

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That would work as it would not only pack the stadium with a pro-Canadian crowd, but also expose that crowd to our rowdiness, which they would hopefully be down with (and some maybe interested in getting involved with, especially TIFOs and mass flags). It'd cut out the number of foreign fans, and even though it might not be as loud an atmosphere, at least there's be no major opposition presence. Isn't the away supporters section at BMO that small section in the upper corner of the East stand??

What about at SS? Why aren't the actual designated away support areas being adhered to for WCQ??

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^ Make the tickets $5 for kids signed up with local clubs and advertise within the local clubs

It's what they did for the Women's friendlies at BMO and they were packed with girls teams.

Its a mugs game to do that... you will have five dollar tickets handed out to the other teams supporters and it devalues your product, A national game clearly has to priced above what it costs to go out to movie.. so we are talking fifteen to twenty dollars in the low cost supporters seats.

As others have said, we MUST control ticket sales in general admission to supporters in colours or Canadian fans out to see the event, only one thousand tickets for away supporters are needed and they should be priced at the fifty dollar or more mark, as has been said make sure they pay a full price and subsidize our team when we play at home.

Its about time to have a little swagger and a little own the podium.

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I haven't had time to respond to this until now and am not sure if the corespondance has taken place or not but here is my take on what needs to be done.

The games have to be marketed. This was the biggest failing of the Honduras game in Montreal. Hondurans throughout North America knew about this game while not even Montreal soccer fans or Impact season ticket holders knew about it because the CSA did no marketing. They didn't even announce the game at Impact games because the CSA never thought to put it in the contract and the Impact didn't do it because it wasn't in the contract. When I was in line at halftime of an Impact game to buy tickets I actually convinced some others in line to buy tickets for an Impact game to also buy tickets for this one. How many other Impact fans would have bought tickets to the game had they known about it? I think everyone can remember when we were at the bars in downtown Montreal before the game that all the other people there thought we were there to watch a Canada game on tv because noone knew there was a Canada game in Montreal. The problem wasn't because Montreal fans don't want to watch the national team, the problem was noone in Montreal knew the national team was playing. In Toronto things were better because the supporters groups are much larger and they could spread the word amongst themselves but that won't be the case in Vancouver and Montreal until MLS arrives. Indeed this was the first time that the situation was better in Toronto as the Honduran situation occured many times previously in that city and the arrival of MLS and the resulting large supporters groups and raised media coverage is the main reason for this.

Regarding security and home sections I don't think codes and supporter group ticket distributions are the way to go. They are fine for a presale to the hardcore fans but otherwise I think they are too complicated and ineffective (the codes always get out) and not only make it harder for away supporters to buy tickets but also for home supporters. The way to go about things is to establish a very strict policy that in the home supporters groups sections noone wearing opposing colours will be allowed. Initially security may choose to bring those with away colours (who may have unknowingly bought tickets in the wrong section) to another section. As the policy gets more established, those fans wearing opposing colours with a ticket in the wrong section should be denied entry to the stadium. Of course, when buying tickets this must be made clear on the website or by ticket agents. Since the Honduras game and a few similar incidents in CCL, Stade Saputo has instituted this policy successfully. The eventual goal when we have grown Canadian support and ticket demand enough should be that those wearing opposing colours are only allowed in the FIFA mandated guest block and if they show up in colours with the wrong ticket they will be denied entry and the ticket will be confiscated. Yes some away fans may get in to other sections but they won't be wearing their colours if they do so. If they haul out an away flag in the wrong section during the game they will be escorted from the stadium by security. We need to implement this gradually but it should be our goal. With the large Canadian support we are getting in Toronto currently we could probably move towards this a bit quicker there than elsewhere.

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A very large number Hondurans who showed up for the game in Montreal got their tickets through ebay (ie.: the Resale market). That proves that it has absolutely nothing to do with poor Marketing. The product (tickets) got sold.

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A very large number Hondurans who showed up for the game in Montreal got their tickets through ebay (ie.: the Resale market). That proves that it has absolutely nothing to do with poor Marketing. The product (tickets) got sold.

How do you know this? If it is true they probably bought them from scalpers who knew a bunch of Hondurans would want tickets. The marketing was non-existent in Montreal. I organized the Voyageurs section for the game, live in Montreal and am a season ticket holder for the Impact and didn't hear one mention of the game outside of this forum (and I was even looking for this) so how can you tell me the problem isn't marketing? Your argument that this is not true because tickets were sold is like saying, "We sold out the stadium so why spend money marketing" and ignoring the fact that the majority of spectators were Honduran. We don't need to sell tickets or sell out the stadium. We need to sell tickets to Canadians who will go to the game and for that we need Canadians who like soccer and want to support the national team to know there is a game taking place, ie. marketing.

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I don't know if Hondurans bought tickets through scalpers or not, but the resale market is one of the reasons I question the strategy of giving out tickets to youth clubs for dirt cheap. If you are a family that just happens to get some tickets through your club for $5 or $10 and then you have a Honduran that offers you $50, what are you going to do? Its not like you are a real fan that cares about the players of anything like that. You are going cause you got cheap tickets.

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