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Didn't care either way emotionally whether they qualified, but suspect indirectly it would have been the better outcome for Canada in the long run for the sort of reasons mentioned above by socceronly. Overall doubt it makes much difference to how things will be a decade from now. There are very few countries that don't miss out occasionally on this. The Dutch for example are usually more of a contender than the USMNT, but also failed to qualify this time.

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Ah the "Teal" curse on the USMNT is working. Must work on another voodoo doll, this one is all worn out.  :)

This was just the perfect storm. Wonderful stuff. As much as I love to watch Tim Howard I've been saying for years that he carried that team and they have nobody in the pipeline who can come close. He is definitely the best they've ever produced and would have never risen to the heights they did without him. 

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1 hour ago, TRM said:

Ah the "Teal" curse on the USMNT is working. Must work on another voodoo doll, this one is all worn out.  :)

This was just the perfect storm. Wonderful stuff. As much as I love to watch Tim Howard I've been saying for years that he carried that team and they have nobody in the pipeline who can come close. He is definitely the best they've ever produced and would have never risen to the heights they did without him. 

There are many good american goal keepers.  Producing good goal keepers is one of the things they do well and have been doing well.  So its puzzling that they stuck with howard so long despite the fact that he wasnt all that sharp.  I was able to catch live on youtube their game versus Costa rica that was played in Redbull arena.  He was clearly to blame for being out of position on the first goal.  Brad Guzan has a good pedigree and is a good shot stopper,  there are others like Blake in Philly and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys.

The sad part about them missing out this time is for what happens off the pitch with soccer in the US.    And by that i mean that in the US, like in canada, there are many people and entities that like to see soccer fail. Thats because of such things as:  eurosnobbery,  and/or the sport being seen foreign/ un american, and/or because soccer and it growth in popularity upsets the competive lanscape of and established order in the sports entertainment marketplace.   You even see examples of what i am talking about regularly in mainstream media even in these forums.  I cite as example, comming accross comments that compare MLS to european second divsions or lower.  Or, when you read people applauding a player like Petrasso’s & Careiro’s decision to leave the TFC academy (which offers everything you need as far as infrastructue and support) in favour of a crap outfit like QPR whose player devopment infrastructures is a shadow of what exists at TFC. 

These are just examples, but you can come accross this stuff almost on a daily basis.  

 

Edited by Free kick

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Part of the issue is in JK and BA, they didnt play other keepers enough to get them prepared.....Howard and Guzan are well past their prime (did Guzan ever have one?) Hamid, Horvath, Gonzalez should have been worked in more friendlies the past 2 years honestly...

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9 hours ago, ted said:

Actually I enjoyed his analysis and he is spot on in his criticism. :)

In the business world there is a saying that goes:   “Dont bring me problems,  bring me solutions”.   

The issue i have with that rant is that i didnt hear a single idea or solution.  And, as far as problems, i am not sure (unless i missed it) he articulated any or was in any way specific.

The good thing is that, at least,  it shows that someone is angry about missing out on the world cup.  Because, the alternative (ie.: appathy and indifference) would be far far worst of a problem.  

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47 minutes ago, Free kick said:

There are many good american goal keepers.

Good yes, great? No. They have nobody close to the Tim Howard of 2003-2015. That is what you need. 

47 minutes ago, Free kick said:

  there are others like Blake in Philly

He plays for Jamaica

47 minutes ago, Free kick said:

and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys.

Capable yes but to win you need that someone special. The guy who just walks on water to give his team a chance. Nobody even close which bodes very poorly for the USA MNT. 

The coach went with a "safe" pick.

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On 10/10/2017 at 9:21 PM, jpg75 said:

As much as i hate Honduras, it's better for the region if they beat out Australia.

Fck that!

Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie! Oi oi oi!

:)

Edited by dsqpr

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I'm actually sad that the US have been eliminated. Contrary to what many seem to think, they have for many years been bona fide top two in CONCACAF and often a bona fide #1. And they have had some memorable World Cup performances including a 1-1 draw with Italy. And they mostly play the game like men, unlike the crying, squealing, diving, cheating, faking, weasels we see from many other countries. Even though I enjoy beating them the most, at any sport, I will miss them at the World Cup.

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On 10/10/2017 at 10:50 PM, Moldy9 said:

I too thought it was a little fishy how Mexico and Honduras always play each other at the end and H gets a result. Then I thought about how all those arrogant Americans will lose so much money not being in Russia and it became an afterthought. 

Well, it was us who got screwed the last time.

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On 10/10/2017 at 9:57 PM, The Beaver said:

I still do not understand how the US is ranked #28. I know the rankings are sort of bogus, but come on. I do not hate the Yanks, but I DO feel they are way over rated. 

They are ranked #32 in ELO. Those rankings are not bogus.

http://www.eloratings.net/world.html

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3 hours ago, TRM said:

He plays for Jamaica

Oops.  Brain cramp on my part.  Yes he plays for Jamaica..   was trying to think of a few others to list off and he came to mind forgot that important part. 

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Interesting thing about that video is what wasn't mentioned: why are they soft? why are they arrogant?

IMHO some of these guys who should be competing at a higher level took a big payday to come back from Europe and effectively retire early in MLS. When you know your place in the team is secure and you'll hardly have any negative media challenging you, you can't help but get comfortable, and comfort breeds complacency, and complacency breeds softness. 

This isn't to bag on MLS; it's a fun league to watch and the standard has certainly gone up in recent years, but it is still a feeder league. 

Edited by Kurt-MTL

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4 hours ago, Ansem said:

This sums up a lot on why they failed to qualify

3:50 mark
-Most arrogant US team I've seen in 20 years

 

I think these talking heads are mostly upset that they won't get much overtime pay next summer and will have to cover the likes of Panama, Costa Rica, and their biggest rival, Mexico hahaha. 

Hislop was the only one that seemed to have an objective opinion. 

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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎10 at 10:54 PM, matty said:

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Was this something he really tweeted?

On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎10 at 11:19 PM, shermanator said:

Michael Bradley, Arjen Robben, Alexis Sanchez and Gareth Bale walk into a bar.

They all sit down and watch the World Cup on TV.

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The man doesn't drink with inferiors. Maybe Sanchez could make a case to share a table....just maybe

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17 hours ago, Free kick said:

There are many good american goal keepers.  Producing good goal keepers is one of the things they do well and have been doing well.  So its puzzling that they stuck with howard so long despite the fact that he wasnt all that sharp.  I was able to catch live on youtube their game versus Costa rica that was played in Redbull arena.  He was clearly to blame for being out of position on the first goal.  Brad Guzan has a good pedigree and is a good shot stopper,  there are others like Blake in Philly and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys.

Capable, but not dominant.  They had to stick with Howard because those options scream depth and not starter.  Guzan's been iffy his whole career at the top level.  I'd agree with the decline in American goalkeeping comment.

Agree with this failure being fuel for more eurosnobbery though.  It felt nice to see them fail, maybe for five seconds, but then reality set in and the guilt of schadenfreude made way for genuine disappointment.

Edited by Marc

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4 hours ago, Kurt-MTL said:

Interesting thing about that video is what wasn't mentioned: why are they soft? why are they arrogant?

IMHO some of these guys who should be competing at a higher level took a big payday to come back from Europe and effectively retire early in MLS. When you know your place in the team is secure and you'll hardly have any negative media challenging you, you can't help but get comfortable, and comfort breeds complacency, and complacency breeds softness. 

This isn't to bag on MLS; it's a fun league to watch and the standard has certainly gone up in recent years, but it is still a feeder league. 

Sure but still the US with many MLS players and Costa Rica have actually done pretty good in World Cups not only qualifying so many times in the past but once they are there have done pretty good with MLS players in the World Cup finals.

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4 hours ago, Macksam said:

The man doesn't drink with inferiors. Maybe Sanchez could make a case to share a table....just maybe

 

4 hours ago, Macksam said:
  On 10/10/2017 at 9:19 PM, shermanator said:

Michael Bradley, Arjen Robben, Alexis Sanchez and Gareth Bale walk into a bar.

They all sit down and watch the World Cup on TV.

Robben immediately takes a dive to get more room at the table than the others  :)

Best comment I've heard in several world cups is "Robben at the slightest hint of a touch in the 18 goes to ground with facial expressions like Captain Jean-Luc Picard on a bad acid trip". 

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