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27 minutes ago, jpg75 said:

"... It really does frustrate me, when I watch MLS, and I see our best U-17 players -- who, again, are so talented and so capable -- being rostered ... but then not being put on the field much to actually play. I watch that, and I just think about how I was given a chance ... a real chance ... and it changed my life. Why then are we seemingly hesitant to allow these other talents to blossom?"

Pulisic also insisted that his emergence on the world stage at such a young age is not a fluke, and that more players would be able to follow in his footsteps if given the same opportunities."

For some reason i think of Larin vs. Hamilton. One got a chance, the other hasn't. Alot of the time it's just about being given a chance.

Agreed this kid has done well with limited time sort of like AJH, but isn't given the chance to push on instead is sent back to bench if lucky. Heck even that other player gets more chance, but doesn't deserve it Mr.Spencer....

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1 hour ago, harrycoyster said:

US playing Bosnia and Herzegovina in the first of their two Camp Cupcake games. Makes Camp Cupcake v. Camp Poutine fairly unlikely as the US is in talks with Jamaica for their second match.

Does the CSA have enough dime for a game in January?

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3 hours ago, Kent said:

This, this, this, this, this, this. I still believe in Hamilton, but TFC doesn't seem to want to give him a chance. It's borderline criminal how few minutes he played this season. I bet he won't even make it into the 18 in Columbus despite both Giovinco and Altidore being unavailable (appeal pending of course).

This after Vanney  applauded him for making the most of his opportunities last year and he delivered big time.  I get that he is not going to play ahead of the 2 DPs but Spencer? Not sure how JHams got up for practice this season. The kid must have intestinal fortitude. 

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As the brand new u17 cycle kicks off in a week, the new US u17s have friendlies scheduled against Brazil, England, and the Netherlands. Our u17s probably won't even practice together this year. This is honestly more important to me than CMNT friendlies, why can't the CSA get our kids into these tournaments?

Remember how our u15s were competitive with the US and Costa Rica at the u15 CONCACAF Championship this year? Yet, at the u17 CONCACAF Championship in a few years we'll probably struggle to get past Cuba again. The CSA is really letting these kids down by not getting them serious minutes together against international competition. 

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1 hour ago, harrycoyster said:

As the brand new u17 cycle kicks off in a week, the new US u17s have friendlies scheduled against Brazil, England, and the Netherlands. Our u17s probably won't even practice together this year. This is honestly more important to me than CMNT friendlies, why can't the CSA get our kids into these tournaments?

Remember how our u15s were competitive with the US and Costa Rica at the u15 CONCACAF Championship this year? Yet, at the u17 CONCACAF Championship in a few years we'll probably struggle to get past Cuba again. The CSA is really letting these kids down by not getting them serious minutes together against international competition. 

Let us that this statement will be wrong and CSA does get them some games or join a small tourney....

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3 hours ago, harrycoyster said:

As the brand new u17 cycle kicks off in a week, the new US u17s have friendlies scheduled against Brazil, England, and the Netherlands. Our u17s probably won't even practice together this year. This is honestly more important to me than CMNT friendlies, why can't the CSA get our kids into these tournaments?

Remember how our u15s were competitive with the US and Costa Rica at the u15 CONCACAF Championship this year? Yet, at the u17 CONCACAF Championship in a few years we'll probably struggle to get past Cuba again. The CSA is really letting these kids down by not getting them serious minutes together against international competition. 

I'm hopeful that the CSA will try to enter youth teams into small cups in the OZ era similar to the Aspire Cup back in March. Even cups against minor nations would be useful.

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Given that now The US, Chile, the Netherlands, Italy, Greece, both Irelands, Scotland, Ukraine, Ivory Coast and Ghana all failed to qualify I seriously hope the CSA try to secure one of them for a game in Toronto next summer. All would not only offer Canada a high level opponent but would also likely bring in a large crowd and mainstream attention. If TSN broadcast any of them I would be shocked and if, say, Italy, The US or Greece didn't break the attendance record set this past summer with the Jamaica game my mind would be truly blown.

In addition, none of these games would be loses for the program unless Canada lost 4-0 with no shots.

I don't see all of the above passing on a game in Canada against Canada as well. All will be likely looking for something to do that will make them a big cheque and help a rebuild and I'm doubtful the US, China, UEA and Qatar will book every single one of them for games over a single window.

The time is right for this type of game. It's a challenge that would help on the field and help build the brand.

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22 minutes ago, matty said:

I'm hopeful that the CSA will try to enter youth teams into small cups in the OZ era similar to the Aspire Cup back in March. Even cups against minor nations would be useful.

Between the start of the 2015-2017 cycle and the 2017 CONCACAF u17 Championship the US u17s played 13 games together. Mexico played 11. I can't remember more than a couple Canadian u17 games in that span. There was a rumoured scrimmage against the Houston Dynamo u18s and a closed door friendly with Haiti directly  before the tournament...unless my memory is failing me that's it. The commitment to our youth programs just isn't there.

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1 hour ago, matty said:

I'm hopeful that the CSA will try to enter youth teams into small cups in the OZ era similar to the Aspire Cup back in March. Even cups against minor nations would be useful.

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Given that now The US, Chile, the Netherlands, Italy, Greece, both Irelands, Scotland, Ukraine, Ivory Coast and Ghana.

One of these teams are not like the others

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I'm not saying they shouldn't get some u17 games, but I was reading after the US's World Cup failure that it's the u20 program that is the biggest/best indicator of future success.  More than the u17 or Olympic teams.  But really, at this stage, I'd take any games at any age level.

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16 minutes ago, Watchmen said:

I'm not saying they shouldn't get some u17 games, but I was reading after the US's World Cup failure that it's the u20 program that is the biggest/best indicator of future success.  More than the u17 or Olympic teams.  But really, at this stage, I'd take any games at any age level.

By the time our players are 19, they are a far distance behind their CR,US,MEX counterparts. If you accept youth results (both MLS clubs and country) as the metric, our players generally fall behind at ages 16-17. Sure, the u20s are the best indicator of professional success, but the u17s are the best indicator of u20 success, and our u17 teams have been disappointing for a longgggggg time. We've literally never won a game at the u17 World Cup, and the only time we've finished top two at the CONCACAF Championship was the year Mexico withdrew their side. 

 

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Having more games for your U17 is all well and good but it's not really going to have a dramatic impact on overall player development. The bulk of development occurs with the clubs, an extra camp or two with 2-4 more games per year for a handful of kids out of 20 who'll statistically land a pro contract is a drop in the ocean.

For me i'd like to see a well run U21/23 program to bridge the gap between U20 and MNT. 

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16 minutes ago, jpg75 said:

Having more games for your U17 is all well and good but it's not really going to have a dramatic impact on overall player development. The bulk of development occurs with the clubs, an extra camp or two with 2-4 more games per year for a handful of kids out of 20 who'll statistically land a pro contract is a drop in the ocean.

For me i'd like to see a well run U21/23 program to bridge the gap between U20 and MNT. 

More games For U17 and U20 teams in Canada are very very important and  necessary. Also they need to be against good teams so the players feel they can showcase their talent and play against the best. We need these young players to feel a strong connection to Canada so they don’t jump ship to another nation, specially if their players playing outside North America or leaving to go aboard. 

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4 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

More games For U17 and U20 teams in Canada are very very important and  necessary. Also they need to be against good teams so the players feel they can showcase their talent and play against the best. We need these young players to feel a strong connection to Canada so they don’t jump ship to another nation, specially if their players playing outside North America or leaving to go aboard. 

Well that's your opinion and i disagree. Stats show most of the kids at the U17 level never go on to play professionally and even less at the MNT level so why divert more resources into a poor investment? 

I agree with holding those U15 camps to ID more players and bring them into the fold earlier, that might help retain dual nationals, but more games at U17? meh.

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2 hours ago, Watchmen said:

 I was reading after the US's World Cup failure that it's the u20 program that is the biggest/best indicator of future success.  More than the u17 or Olympic teams.

Interesting. Based on results ie. the US qualifying for U20's regularly and not qualifying for 3 of the past 4 Olympics i would think the U23's matter more.

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7 minutes ago, jpg75 said:

Well that's your opinion and i disagree. Stats show most of the kids at the U17 level never go on to play professionally and even less at the MNT level so why divert more resources into a poor investment? 

I agree with holding those U15 camps to ID more players and bring them into the fold earlier, that might help retain dual nationals, but more games at U17? meh.

Poor investment? When the U20 played England how many of our players got scouted but huge clubs and are now in Europe or will be soon ? If the U17 and the U20 play more games against more teams and against good teams, we are going to give those players  more exposure and more opportunities for those players to develop and move to better places, specially if you had player pool of like 40-80 players playing. We could get a really good idea about  status on our young Canadian talent 

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Pulisic and McKennie both went overseas after being IDed by German scouts at u17 USYNT games, and they've become two of the USMNTs top players in the three years since. I'd be more inclined to agree with you @jpg75 if we were playing 6-7 u17 games a cycle before the CONCACAF Championship, but we're basically playing none while the big 3 play 10-15. It's not like the US or Mexican rosters change much from 15 to 17 so either A- somehow the US is doing a far better job of developing talent at clubs from ages 16-17 than we are...which would be weird since we use the same youth apparatus or B- they are gaining some sort of advantage outside the USSDA.

Granted, I understand we aren't starting from the same level here as the US u15s have been more gifted then our kids for 20 years now, but the point remains that the gap becomes cavernous between u15 and u17.

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2 hours ago, SpecialK said:

Poor investment? When the U20 played England how many of our players got scouted but huge clubs and are now in Europe or will be soon ? If the U17 and the U20 play more games against more teams and against good teams, we are going to give those players  more exposure and more opportunities for those players to develop and move to better places, specially if you had player pool of like 40-80 players playing. We could get a really good idea about  status on our young Canadian talent 

So who signed because of that England game? Exactly.

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