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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎11 at 12:54 PM, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

 I see a disconnect with reality in some of what is being said at the moment in a way that seems worringly familiar. Paul Beirne talking about promotion and relegation as if reaching 16 teams that can operate on a sustained basis is going to be a slam dunk is almost as wildly optimistic as expecting total football at TFC because Aaron Winter has just been brought in as coach (I realize that hire was probably more down to Tom Anselmi than Paul Beirne). It's about tapping into people's emotions in the short term to create a feel good factor rather than the reality of where things are likely to be at any time soon.

You do realize Paul Beirne mentions promotion relegation and reaching 16 teams as a long-term vision for the league and not something that would happen right away, right? People know the league won't look like that initially or in the short term but it's the long term vision. People have no conflict between a "feel good factor" and what the league will look like next year or 2019.

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20 minutes ago, Rheo said:

I put this is stadium thread but applies here as well I guess, CPL confirms Surrey stadium bid is linked to them

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/outdoor-spectator-stadium-in-surrey-eyed-as-home-for-pro-sports-team/

Said this in the other thread as well, but love the article. It's great that it's Surrey that's being discussed instead of Langley. And the enthusiasm from the Surrey city councillor is a great sign as well.

I think the whole MLS B team debate is moot when it's been unofficially announced that Whitecaps 2 are folding and that Vancouver's affiliating with Fresno FC next season. Just a quick point unrelated to CPL that it's a massive shame, as was FC Montreal folding. You're talking about a ton of CanM23 and CanM20 content there, some of who will definitely find their way to CPL but some who won't. Me, I'm pushing TFCII (and Ottawa) where I can as much as I can.

Me personally, I just want to see as many pro clubs in Canada as possible, that's literally all. Boost CPL, boost USL, boost MLS, boost L1O, boost every damn soccer team in this country except for those CSL sellouts. And ditch the dirty money NASL, FC Edmonton, the Faths know they're coming to CPL sooner or later.

Edited by ironcub14

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So now that we know the Whitecaps 2 are folding and are gonna be affiliating with Fresno FC next season does this force TFC to do the same? 

My only concern is that like @ironcub14 said; a lot of Canadians play in those two sides and it would be a shame if they struggled to find jobs after it folds. I know that both missed the playoffs and finished near bottom in the USL conference standings but there could still be some good players there, all very young U-23 & U-20 for the most part 

FYI: *Frank Yallop is now the GM of the new franchise in California * 

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Think it was the stadium issue for D2 level USSF sanctioning that probably ended things for Whitecaps 2 as the Langley stadium clearly didn't cut it for that and neither would Swangard. TFC II are going to use double headers with the first team at BMO Field along with other games at Lamport to solve that issue.

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30 minutes ago, Thomas said:

So now that we know the Whitecaps 2 are folding and are gonna be affiliating with Fresno FC next season does this force TFC to do the same? 

My only concern is that like @ironcub14 said; a lot of Canadians play in those two sides and it would be a shame if they struggled to find jobs after it folds. I know that both missed the playoffs and finished near bottom in the USL conference standings but there could still be some good players there, all very young U-23 & U-20 for the most part 

FYI: *Frank Yallop is now the GM of the new franchise in California * 

I doubt TFC II folds. There's stuff to criticize with them, but being cheap isn't one of them. I think they are very serious about the goal of being a top north American team permanently 

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8 hours ago, Oranje said:

I don't think it is as black and white as you're making it out to be. My thoughts are having the MLS farm teams as the founders of CPLII and keeping with Paul's Bundesliga comparison, second teams cannot be promoted to the first division. CPL wins because they have 3 financially backed teams stabilizing the 2nd division. MLS teams win because they can focus on development and not results because they can never be promoted, all while playing competitive matches because the other teams are vying for promotion.

just my $0.02

To be fair, I said "founding member" - meaning the original teams in D1.  If they want to be brought into the structure later at a lower level, that is a separate conversation.  But as a founding member, their presence would undermine CPL's identity and aspirations as a D1 league.  

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I think it's really important that CPL gets both Ottawa and Edmonton to join the league right off the bat. Both teams have pedigree now and some success that would bring instant credibility to the league and a certain expected quality for the new clubs. You would also have a built in rivalry, seeing how much they've played each other over the last 4 years. I think that the MLS clubs are planning to loan out their Canadian players that make it through their academy system to CPL teams to give them playing time and have to work their way into the lineups. Every year TFC is churning out 18 players from their academy system, and not all of them get into TFCII.

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43 minutes ago, Initial B said:

I think that the MLS clubs are planning to loan out their Canadian players that make it through their academy system to CPL teams to give them playing time and have to work their way into the lineups. Every year TFC is churning out 18 players from their academy system, and not all of them get into TFCII.

If CPL is populated by guys who aren't good enough to make TFC II, it will fail.  I know people think the game-day experience and supporter culture will be a primary driver of league success, but that has to be coupled with a decent level of play.  Guys not good enough for TFC II simply won't cut it.  That would represent an even further step down from the farm teams that the league isn't interested in.

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1 hour ago, Initial B said:

I think it's really important that CPL gets both Ottawa and Edmonton to join the league right off the bat. Both teams have pedigree now and some success that would bring instant credibility to the league and a certain expected quality for the new clubs. You would also have a built in rivalry, seeing how much they've played each other over the last 4 years. I think that the MLS clubs are planning to loan out their Canadian players that make it through their academy system to CPL teams to give them playing time and have to work their way into the lineups. Every year TFC is churning out 18 players from their academy system, and not all of them get into TFCII.

You could have loaned out  Ucello, Anthony Osorio even Malik Johnson out so they could play every week in CPL.  Not exactly guys that arent good enough for TFC2, but guys that only get limited minutes and would benefit from steady play.  Zator, Melvin also might have been loaned out from VWC2 to get more minutes.  I think this might be the kind of CDN players we will get in year 1 of the CPL anyways.  

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16 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

So with more little tidbits dropping from BC and Halifax, isn't this the kind of info the doubters have said should be leaking if the CPL is legit?!

Yes! This pro team stuff is nearly impossible to keep hidden given the needed civic involvement. This type of news should have started leaking two years ago if a 2018 launch was ever realistic.

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5 hours ago, Initial B said:

I think it's really important that CPL gets both Ottawa and Edmonton to join the league right off the bat...

If they don't get them on board even a 2019 launch isn't going to be easy given the bureacracy and logistics surrounding stadium builds. Maybe we'll hear more once the NASL and USL seasons end, but if 2018 isn't happening as the Halifax article strongly implies then it may be this time next year before we hear anything official in Ottawa's case. With FC Edmonton the outcome of the injunction is probably the key.

Edited by BringBackTheBlizzard

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Kurt Larson asked for questions for a video so I asked about how much CPL information is out there but that you can't report on and he answered.  I found it interesting to see his take on timeline and hints on what he's heard and what areas would be   excited by when it comes out (video on the top of the article)

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/12/reds-must-focus-on-the-details-to-reach-records

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2 hours ago, Rheo said:

Kurt Larson asked for questions for a video so I asked about how much CPL information is out there but that you can't report on and he answered.  I found it interesting to see his take on timeline and hints on what he's heard and what areas would be   excited by when it comes out (video on the top of the article)

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/12/reds-must-focus-on-the-details-to-reach-records

So interesting takeaways;

- "A lot more happening" behind the scenes, "a lot of exciting things" but can't be reported on because it's not "sign, sealed and delivered."

- Believes that there will be announcements after the new year when the CPL would "have the news cycle to themselves."

- "There's a lot of stuff out there that's going to come out sooner, I think it's going to surprise and make a lot fans in the Toronto area, the Vancouver area and other cities pretty happy."

And we know Rheo's real name!

Edited by BuzzAndSting

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25 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

So interesting takeaways;

Thanks for the recap, got busy at work before I could get around to it.  I was pleasantly surprised at his optimism towards the league.  Not too long ago (like last year I'd say) he seemed pretty down on the idea of it, but I remember him saying (I believe it was on his pod with Rollins as guest) that the more he heard the more he liked but where they intended to go and it seems to of grown with the apparent more that he know now.

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2 hours ago, Rheo said:

Thanks for the recap, got busy at work before I could get around to it.  I was pleasantly surprised at his optimism towards the league.  Not too long ago (like last year I'd say) he seemed pretty down on the idea of it, but I remember him saying (I believe it was on his pod with Rollins as guest) that the more he heard the more he liked but where they intended to go and it seems to of grown with the apparent more that he know now.

Yeah I'm pretty happy that Larson has turned the corner, shows how engaging the mainstream media a little can change the narrative. Still unfortunate he made the PDL comment though, seems like most soccer fans I've encountered that have heard of CPL have the impression that it'll be PDL level from his comment. While that's too bad, it does demonstrate his reach (at least in Ontario) and bodes well that he's getting excited about the league. 

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These are definitely interesting days to be sure.  The one thing that really surprised me with all the recent news bits was the CPL officially confirming the Surrey stadium news was related to them.  If I'm not mistaken that's the first time they confirmed a team's interest in an area without ownership going public as well.  Good to see them being forthcoming like this when asked.

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The excitement keeps coming to us and gets us pumped for a professional league in Canada, but we also gotta remember that the level/quality of play won't be as we might think it is, lower most likely. So I just hope and pray that Beirne and ownership groups get the business side of things right and that the average attendance is between 5,000-8,000 in the first year

Would be pretty incredible if Hamilton were to host Ottawa in the first ever CPL game and sell out Tim Hortons Field (22,500 +) 

Dream Big 

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34 minutes ago, Ansem said:

Soccer Specific Stadium! Hell yeah :D

We need SSS in most franchises! Since Hamilton and Winnipeg are both from the ownership groups of the CFL's Bombers and Ticats, why would they build one? Makes sense of them to play at their stadiums. If Ottawa Fury join, same thing.

But Edmonton*, Calgary, Regina/Saskatoon, Quebec City and Halifax would need to build new facilities

*Maybe, already has Clarke* 

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12 minutes ago, Mike Thompson said:

IMO, CPL in the 2019 season should be played in April, May, June, July, August, and September. 

Just like Iceland's first division and one other Scandinavian league I think 

The weather will be a huge factor in attendance so 

Reasonable, though maybe start late April with the prairie teams on road trips

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